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Christian Pastor Claims Being Gay Is Gift From God

Hits: 6743 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: fancylad
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11319 Posts
Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:55:29 PM
nerdtchn...what on Earth possesses you to believe that Jews ~3400 years ago spoke and wrote in English modern English? Does it really make sense to you to think that they travelled thousands of miles and 34 centuries in time (how?) and chose to write their holiest text in that language rather than their own?

What the hell are you talking about? What's this rubbish you're talking about Doctor Who jews writing the Torah?

The text you quote is not Leviticus 18:22. It is one of many inaccurate versions of it in English, creatively interpreted to make the statement people with power wanted it to make, millenia after it was written.

Transliterated to this alphabet, Leviticus 18:22 reads "V'et zachar lo tishkav mishk'vey eeshah toeyvah hee."

I have already given an accurate translation into English.

You can make anything up you like and label it "Leviticus 18:22".


Groogle
Male, 30-39, Canada
 2180 Posts
Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:28:45 PM
Yeah, sure why not. They're just saying otherwise in the bible... it's not like it matters you know.

nerdtchn
Male, 13-17, Southern US
 64 Posts
Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:53:58 AM
Angilion: what the hell are you talking about? Leviticus 18:22 says "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination."

I don't know about you, but this really doesn't need any "creative interpretation" to say being gay is a sin for me.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11319 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 9:10:16 PM
Smiley-Guy...I think you should read the Christian bible a lot more, because your posts are wrong.

You say there are verses in which God talks about how being a homosexual is a sin.

That is not true. There are no such verses. Not a single one.

As an example, you cite an incorrect translation of a letter from Paul (note: Paul is not God), which doesn't say that being a homosexual is a sin anyway.

I would bet good money that you have never even heard the word 'arsenokoitai' (transliterated Greek) or why it's crucial in this context.

I suggest *you* read the Christian bible, because your ignorance of it is making a fool of you. The shellfish thing is covered by Leviticus 11:10-11 Not far from the main verse creatively interpreted against homosexuality (that's 18:22).

Would you like to try again on the stoning and general killing thing?


Smiley-Guy
Male, 13-17, Western US
 30 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 8:49:44 PM
so yeah, those "christian pastors" are lying through their teeth. Wether they burn in hell is up to God..

Smiley-Guy
Male, 13-17, Western US
 30 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 8:48:48 PM
verse as proof for Being gay is a sin:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Smiley-Guy
Male, 13-17, Western US
 30 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 8:46:21 PM
Angilion, there are verses in the bible where God talks about how being a homosexual is a sin.
oh and Chrisfalcon, i suggest u actually read the Bible before saying crap like that, where does it talk about eating shellfish <IN THE BIBLE> being a sin??? and wtf, "half the people in the world be stoned to death" if we followed what the Bible said??? ur thinking about the Pharasees, u know.. the people who stoned others if they broke a serious law, the people who thought Jesus was the prince of demons.. (until Jesus died and was reserected) aka: the people against God............ think before u speak

B-b-beccah
Female, 18-29, Canada
 676 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 7:33:15 PM
awww yeah, Gay is totally the new Black.
Heteros tryin to keep the Homo down...

thesandwich
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 151 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 7:30:20 PM
I though when reading the title that maybe you could come to the conclusion the priest said that after a bit of quote mining, but no he just flat out says it in the first three seconds. That just knocked me out of my chair in shock.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11319 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 4:26:07 PM
"I know many people will dispute this but the reality is: The Bible speaks in many places about the dangers of being homosexual."

No, it does not. It's not even mentioned all that often, and even those passages are open to dispute. For example, the infamous Leviticus verses might simply be forbidding Jewish men from engaging in ritual sex in pagan temples. I'm not joking - look at the context. Or it might be forbidding Jewish men from having sex with each other in a woman's bed. That isn't silly - there are many Jewish rules about things deemed ritually unclean (which is what the relevant word really means, not 'abomination').

"Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because it was rampant in those cities."

No, they weren't (assuming you believe the account in the Christian bible).

"It's blatanly called an "abomination in the eyes of God"

It's called that by people who want to do so, but it is not called that in the Christian bible.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11319 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 4:17:20 PM
Following on from chrisfalcon's third point, I have a question for all the Christians who apparently don't know their own religion at all well:

On what authority do you pick one, just one, Jewish rule, pretend it's clear when it isn't, pretend it says something other than what it really says, claim that's the word of God and must be obeyed...and ignore all the other Jewish rules?

You're not making any sense when you do that. You're just mindlessly doing what you're told, even though it makes no sense even in the context of your own religion.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11319 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 4:14:38 PM
"christians dont ONLY believe in christ. All the books are there for a reason"

True, but the specific point was what Jesus said and that isn't it.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11319 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 4:06:59 PM
"second. a man should not lay down with another man as he does a woman. it is a sin in the eyes of God. whether or not these "pastors" will burn in hell idk. that's God's judgement. but they are teaching what ppl want to hear not what the Bible, God's own word says. end of story."

That is what *you* are doing.

If you care about what the relevent verse of the Christian bible *really* says, here is an accurate English translation:

And with a man you shall not lay lyings of a woman. It is ceremonially unclean.

I have seen a number of people stating other things as that passage and claiming it's clear. Sure it is...when you make it up yourself.

If you want what is actually written, there it is.

If you want to make something up that suits you better, don't pretend it's that verse from Leviticus (either of them).

Then there's the question of context - in this case, it's ritual sexual practices of other religions. Maybe it's just those that the verse is re


chrisfalcon
Male, 18-29, Western US
 167 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 3:36:02 PM
Breex33:

1) I "chose" to be gay the same day you "chose" to be straight. Which, perhaps, also coincides with the day that you decided to include that yellow phallus as your profile pic.

2) "Man shall not lie with man as he does woman"... Hmmm, the next time I "lie" with a man that has a vagina, you'll be the first one to know. And what does "lie" mean anyway? Your god seems to have a strange sense of humour and a penchant for non-specificity.

3)According to your Bible, eating shellfish is also a grievous sin. Along with pork consumption. And a host of other things not even vaguely related to being a good person. As a matter of fact, if you follow the Bible word for word, then half the people on the plant would be stoned to death, burned to death, or otherwise killed.

Maybe you should read it sometime. :)


Tonyjet
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3430 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 3:16:32 PM
i am starting to hate religious people, which is kinda hard being that my sis is an apostolic christian, they are so lost in their comfort zone

Poreka
Female, 13-17, Europe
 710 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 2:53:32 PM
Being gay is nothing special, but there's nothing wrong with it either.
Oh well, at least he's being nice and positive about being gay.

Kleio
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
 58 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 1:28:32 PM
Boredx12-
"FINALLY.
I can quit automatically distancing myself from evey religious person I meet due to my inability to get along with homophobes.
Another little prejudice gone :)"

Agreed 100%.


jmuamy
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 40 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 12:45:28 PM
"I can quit automatically distancing myself from evey religious person I meet due to my inability to get along with homophobes."

Agreed.


primetimekin
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 8111 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 12:18:23 PM
"sorry to people who write novels on here, no one reads them"

I do. Sorry that you lack the intelligence to read 1000 characters.

"And, because I can't resist a good ad-hominem,"

Can anyone?

"This book explicitly condones slavery, genocide, subjugation of women, etc etc etc etc, in both old and new testament."

For about a year now i've posted reasons of why we dont follow some of those things.... apparently no one like to read what I've read


primetimekin
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 8111 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 12:13:33 PM
"What, like Paul's letters to the Corinthians? What does that have to do with what Jesus said about anything?"

christians dont ONLY believe in christ. All the books are there for a reason


AahNold
Male, 30-39, Western US
 377 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 11:41:36 AM
Charlie really likes to use the word "hegemony"

Boredx12
Female, 13-17, Europe
 1661 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 11:26:05 AM
FINALLY.
I can quit automatically distancing myself from evey religious person I meet due to my inability to get along with homophobes.
Another little prejudice gone :)

pmarren
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 4272 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 11:13:11 AM
I bet that pastor would kick Fred Phelps' ass in a fight.

Oh yes, there would be a fight.


CharlieA
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 503 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 8:17:16 AM
When we were kids and asked why, our parents said, "Because I said so." Religion has a better retort. Why? "Because you will burn in Hell." Parents, please take note.

CharlieA
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 503 Posts
Friday, January 09, 2009 8:10:36 AM
Jesus Christ on a cross people!! The Bible is a man-made doucument designed to ingrain social hegemony. To enforce that hegemony, the authors used the fear of mortality as a tool to indoctrinate that hegemony. No one likes the thought of dying. But if someone can offer you away to overcome death by your conforming to that hegemony, it sounds like a good and reasonable deal. That is, if you don't think it through.

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