 Vagrant86
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2566 Posts
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Friday, November 14, 2008 9:24:06 PM
im not catholic but that's retarded. |
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 NowPleaseRea
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
176 Posts
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Friday, November 14, 2008 5:31:46 PM
My idea of hell is to spend eternity with people who spout religion. |
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 mrwnt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
357 Posts
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Friday, November 14, 2008 7:44:53 AM
"Of course abortion is still legally practiced in the US dispite 8 years of GWB's reign.So you tell me which is worse... someone with real integrity who believes something different than you, or someone who says they agree with you but then demonstrates through his actions that he is a hypocrite?" The president is not a dictator. He is only 1 branch of the government. He cannot do whatever he likes to, unless he has the support of the other branches. Bush appointed multiple pro-life judges to the court which is all he really can do.
And once again, morality does not have to come from religion. And by the way, the Christian church doesn't say that everyone who doesn't believe in Christ goes to hell. If you are a moral person, you go to heaven.
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 BoomStick
Male, 30-39, Canada
122 Posts
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Friday, November 14, 2008 6:37:27 AM
Also I can confirm that Madest does, in fact, have herpes. |
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 Overmann
Male, 18-29, Southern US
3156 Posts
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Friday, November 14, 2008 6:34:58 AM
More made-up bullsh*t, I see."...and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law." If God really gave as much a sh*t as you claim he does, padre, he would descend from the sky (which is just as likely as him ascending from the ground, in my opinion; given the grander context of the whole friggin' universe, our 'up' means nothing at all) and make a statement about it. Why doesn't it *feel* as if I'm under divine law, padre? Because I don't believe in fairy tales. The whole faith story has only as much merit as one ascribes to it, and no amount of fear or guilt you have to instill in it to make people believe it will make it any more true, which is fortunate. Now stop wasting time and the people's money and go do something tangible for a change. |
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BoomStick
Male, 30-39, Canada
122 Posts
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Friday, November 14, 2008 6:30:34 AM
Presumably this priest voted for GWB - a staunch opponent of abortion - and would consider those of his congregation who did so as well to be "devout."Of course abortion is still legally practiced in the US dispite 8 years of GWB's reign. So you tell me which is worse... someone with real integrity who believes something different than you, or someone who says they agree with you but then demonstrates through his actions that he is a hypocrite? |
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 Benjaphar
Male, 30-39, Southern US
105 Posts
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Friday, November 14, 2008 5:27:23 AM
No, you're just talking about Christians who never went to church. Adversity doesn't change what you know to be true; it just amplifies what you already believe. |
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 i-am-emo
Female, 70 & Over, Eastern US
1267 Posts
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Friday, November 14, 2008 3:13:55 AM
Because they supposedly "find christ" in prison. Something about the intense suffering and guilt I dont know. |
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Benjaphar
Male, 30-39, Southern US
105 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:29:07 PM
Amaqdrinker, if morals come from religion, then why are our prisons full of religious people instead of atheists? Clearly it sould be mostly atheists if they have no morality.
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 ChronicJ
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
357 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:12:51 PM
"madest, are you an atheist? do you have no morality?"What a stupid drat.. someone who confuses morality with a bunch of made-up bullpoo "laws" full of poo from some made-up invisible dude who no one can see or talk to unless they are insane... drat you!... are you that drated up? Seriousy? Are you? No you are not.. You're "God" just has a lot of time on his hands and needs to drat with the lives of a bunch of losera who live on a drating losing planet.. one of billions and trillions he governs... |
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 pat125
Male, 18-29, Western US
744 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:03:42 PM
Why don't we just take this to the next level and make IAB one big debate forum. We can call it flame-war.com |
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 whtevr
Female, 40-49, Southern US
908 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:52:44 PM
I used to be pro-choice but then I saw a website with pictures of aborted babies and changed my mind. |
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 amaqdrinker
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2239 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:46:44 PM
if you have something to say back madest make it quick. otherwise i'm actually going to bed this time. and itsallfake i completely agree with you about politicians not touching abortion. our politics are way to concerned with polls and voter satisfaction to make any real change. |
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 itsallfake
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
475 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:44:03 PM
Im actually glad to see this thread turn inelligent with the exception of madest who is an obvious troll and you all fed him. My comments are directed mainly towards MS conservatives. If you don't fall in line, then you dont need to strike up an arguement. That simple. I don't agree with obama on a lot of issues. I voted for him based on the benefits his change in government will give me as a middle class american with household income of 75K and have 2 kids. I also agree with him on his stance abut the war in iraq which is something i feel more strongly about than any wedge issue. Fact is, no politicians touch the abortion issues on the federal level because thats something they dont want to soil their hands with... though this is my opinion and not based on hard facts, just observation. |
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amaqdrinker
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2239 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40:16 PM
dammit madest, why'd you go and have to say something like that? no, i mean that a murderer can actually change his ways, consequentially he would then be forgiven. and i make it a personal rule to never say who is or who isn't going to heaven. as far as i know a man who claims to be an atheist could be right with god in his heart. |
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itsallfake
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
475 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:37:05 PM
Just popped bck in while i let my fishtank fill...Not really PWNED. If anything the site you gave just proves my point that he wants the people to decide not the government. Like i said, in interviews he would not condone abortions for his own family, but he feels strongly that it should not be up to the "all powerful government" to decide (i am paraphrasing here of course). So thanks for referencing a cite that it doesn't look like you fully read... That in mind, im not disagreeing with you that abortions are bad. I am actualy on the same page, but i feel strongly that this should be voted on by the people and the only way to accomplish that is by dropping the issue to a state level.
NOW...
As far as this priest is concerned. I think he is completely in the wrong here. In fact he should be doing the exact opposite. He should be offering salvation for those who voted for obama if he feels that passionate about it. |
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 Razamire
Female, 18-29, Europe
669 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:34:42 PM
night amaq,night mrwnt. It was interesting to say the least |
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 madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6411 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:34:15 PM
..and therein lies the flaw. if a murderer can be forgiven (i expect you meant) yet say an athiest who has never murdered be damned, then you belong to a club where some very exclusive people who have helped society tremendously are excluded. a club that you were brainwashed into believing in. |
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 sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2321 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:33:59 PM
Adios Amaq and mrwnt. I agree Amaq, having a place to have intelligent discussions with people both like minded and differing is nice. |
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 d_katman
Male, 13-17, Western US
1845 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:33:04 PM
how can one argue with stefanM... it's kirby, with a goatee |
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amaqdrinker
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2239 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:32:01 PM
i'm probably heading off to bed soon too actually, you don't need to answer my last question madest, i see where you are coming from. and i just want to say, that these debates, as pointless and circular as they are, are the reason this sight lives up to its name and cures my boredom. peace folks. |
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mrwnt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
357 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:29:16 PM
Razamire: There is nothing wrong with having sex. I won't get into premarital sex because that's a whole nother can of worms. There is something wrong with having sex without being willing to accept the consequences. |
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amaqdrinker
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2239 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:28:58 PM
peace mrwnt. you too. |
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amaqdrinker
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2239 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:28:41 PM
morality is not what you've done. murderers have been reformed. do you have morality? |
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mrwnt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
357 Posts
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:27:30 PM
amaqdrinker: I don't want to condemn sex in general here. I completely agree with you on that. I just am frustrated with people who think that their having sex is more important than a baby's right to life.I'm off to bed. Amaq thanks for the intelligent conversation. |
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