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Penn and Teller BS on Gun Control

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jimspade
Male, 18-29, Australia
 212 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:06:38 AM
'Gun enthusiasts often claim that there is no link between legal ownership of guns and gun crime - legal guns are legal, illegal guns are illegal and, according to them, never the twain shall meet.'

- taken from http://www.gun-control-network.org/CO15....


- taken from


jimspade
Male, 18-29, Australia
 212 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:02:57 AM
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/guic.htm

...give up you gun loving redneck fks. Its about time you evolve to enjoy things that don't go 'BOOM'.


jimspade
Male, 18-29, Australia
 212 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:57:45 AM
"Gun violence is an epidemic that has a cure. With almost half of the guns illegally possessed or used in crimes in Connecticut traced to legal state purchases, part of that cure must be preventing guns that are bought legally from getting into the hands of criminals and other prohibited users."

-taken from http://www.hartfordinfo.org/issues/docum...


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:18:50 AM
Replace the word guns with nukes.

After all if you're protecting yourself from Tyranny, as Crakrjak suggests, you'd need alot more than a Glock when the government has tanks.

Every argument made in this thread still applies, the only difference is, nobody is stupid enough to suggest they're still right when the damage goes up a notch.

The difference is, with nukes you're fairly sure it'd affect you. Guns are something you expect to happen to "somebody else", so it's fine.

Except, of course, it's not.


VikingGuy
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2416 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:42:03 AM
criminals get weapons off the black market that are illegally imported, go do some research and you´ll find that out rather quickly, legally purchased firearms are used in less than 1% of firearms related crimes.
I´m not for gun control at all, it wouldnt do poo, period.
Better education on guns in general would probably do a hell of alot more, make it more similar to germany where you need to prove you know what the hell your doing before they let you own one. Guns arent evil, people are, and banning guns wont stop people with the intent of violence from commiting that violence. To ban violence you have to ban humans, end of story.

Lauraly
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2300 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:39:17 AM
Musuko, I agree with you as far as it being more difficult for criminals to get guns if there are strict bans, however there will never be that strict of a ban in the US. It *is* a right written into our constitution. And, like you said, it isn't impossible for criminals to get their hands on weapons.. it just won't be as likely for your average street rat to have one. Plus, while guns don't help the problem, they are not the sole reason for it's existence. Canada has more guns than the US but far fewer violent crimes. That says something.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:23:50 AM
My own thoughts? If you own guns for fun, great! They ARE fun. Just treat them like any other dangerous sport; keep it safe, keep it restricted, and don't allow it to harm others.

I mean, if my idea of fun and sport was to detonate explosives, you'd want me to do it under controlled conditions and not be carrying the explosives around with me or keeping it in my home next door to you, right?


Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:21:41 AM
"All banning anything does is prevent law abiding citizens from being able to similarly outfit themselves."

That argument is old, and nobody who states it ever questions it. If the ban is properly implemented, criminals will start finding it near impossible to get guns too.

Britain has strict gun laws, and it's illegal to own a gun for personal defence. And yes, some of our criminals have guns...but here's the kicker; only SOME. Our average criminals, the ones you'll meet throughout your life, are not carrying guns. Only the hardcore criminals with money and means will get them, and then usually only to fight with other criminals.

Only the scum resort to carrying lethal force for personal protection. Anyone with intelligence should be spending their time and money supporting a functioning police force and system of law.


Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:10:23 AM
Trigger Happy

Painter13
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1378 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:10:00 AM
My point was satirical, not meant to be taken seriously, I was showing the hypocrisy of gun owners and their excuses. No one ever says I have guns because I like them. They always have some lame excuse like invading armies or government take-over, or drug dealers taking over their neighborhoods. It really doesn't bother me if someone owns one, just stop with the stupid reasons why, and just tell the real reason gun owners own guns, they are afraid.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:09:19 AM
"Speak for yourself, slowpoke."

XD


Lauraly
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2300 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:46:08 AM
Antagonizer... a major point illustrated in the video is that gangbangers would still be able to get a hold of those "banned" weapons. All banning anything does is prevent law abiding citizens from being able to similarly outfit themselves. A gangbanger isn't going to give a drat what the law says.. they already do whatever the hell they please.

I think that it is important to have background checks for people interested in buying guns and a waiting period between when you decide to purchase and when you can actually take the weapon home. As far as the rest of it goes, I'm not sure. Before this video I'd have said that there needs to be relatively strict gun control laws, but this made a lot of good points (I watched parts 2 and 3 as well). Plus, the US is one of the most violent countries, but we don't have the most guns so you can't equate more guns to more violence.


Painter13
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1378 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:41:40 AM
Wow, love the gun owners who talk about invading armies. You mean like MS-13, (500,000 last count) the largest invasion by a foreign occupation in the history of the U.S. A drug dealing gun trafficking army of drug dealers destroying small towns all across the country, and what are the gun owners that are supposed to protect the U.S. from invaders doing? Hiding out and p#ssing their pants at the idea that they may be speaking spanish in ten years, and that their neighbor will turned into a haven for slavery and drugs. Gun owners are such scared puss#es.

antagonizer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 506 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:27:01 AM
Ban handguns = yes
Ban Automatic rifles = yes
Ban Shotguns = yes
Ban Hunting rifles = no freaking way!!!

The first three are only good for one thing, taking human life. A handgun is garbage for hunting, and you don't need a rapid succession of bullets to take down a deer, considering you can get the job done with a bow and arrow.

Now ask yourself...How many drive-by's would there be if all the gangbangers could get were winchester rifles?


Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:00:16 AM
"Speak for yourself, slowpoke."

XD


Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:55:03 AM
> Musuko42
> You can't outrun a bullet

Speak for yourself, slowpoke.


Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:46:16 AM
"Yes, let us ban guns so people revert to the classic shanking to get the job done."

You can't "shank" someone from ten metres away.

You can outrun a man with a blade. You can't outrun a bullet.


Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:44:07 AM
@Steve2071.

Exactly. So let's break down the reasons why someone would want to own a gun:

Preserve liberty; well, if you've been crap enough at maintaining your democracy that it's got to that point, you deserve to lose it. Besides, if the evil powers have got the military on side, your gun won't do squat anyway; they have machine guns and tanks. Best save your liberty with education and proper voting well before that point.

Defend your property; As you've said, useless here.

Defend your life; How often does a madman threaten your life? It's never happened to me, or anyone I know. What about you? Is it worth keeping a dangerous tool around to defend against a very rare and unlikely occurance?

For sport/hunting; That's fine, I support gun use for sporting purposes. So why can't the guns stay secured at the shooting range and sporting guns be carefully regulated to stop them being used for other purposes?

To feel macho; Ah, well there it is; a safety blanket. A penis.


B3N0C1D3
Male, 18-29, Western US
 788 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:38:30 AM
Yes, let us ban guns so people revert to the classic shanking to get the job done. Like a gun is some kind of demon that possesses the owner and eventually drives them to a manic state where they MUST shoot someone. But hey, I rather get stabbed thirty times or have my guts spilled on the floor before being shot.

"None of us are as dumb as all of us."


steve2071
Male, 18-29, Western US
 10 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:20:39 AM
A firearm probably wouldn't have benefited you in that situation because there was no immediate threat to yourself or your family. Engaging a fleeing burglar over property would be condemning yourself to lots of wasted money on lawyers and possible time in the pokey.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:41:04 AM
@Gamey91.

"IMO, guns prevent crime because, who would rob a house of a gun owner?"

Then why is there still crime in your country?

How about you find me some figures that show that households with guns are less often victims of crime than households without guns?

I had my motorcycle stolen from right outside my house in the middle of the night last year (annoyingly, one of the few times I didn't have it safely locked away). I heard nothing and didn't even wake up. Even if that bike were alarmed (my current one is, of course) and they'd set it off, by the time I've woken and leant out the window, they'd have had plenty of time to run/drive around the corner and out of sight.

Tell me how a gun would have helped in this situation.


Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:31:20 AM
PS: Source for last post was Nationmaster. IAB edited out the link.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:29:23 AM
Why do we keep having to hear the "criminals will always get guns" argument from gun supporters?

Yes, it's true, criminals will always get guns if they want them; but the number of criminals who succeed in getting guns will always be lower when they aren't readily available and easily stolen.

In a country like Britain, the only way to get a gun is through incredibly illegal means, involving smuggling and dealings usually far beyond the reach of your average petty thug.

We simply don't need guns because our criminals have a hard time getting them. And we don't need guns to preserve our freedom because, shock horror, we have a functioning democracy.

We have a murder rate that's 1/3 of America's per capita (which means it is adjusted for population difference between the countries, before some idiot tries that argument), so we must be doing something right, don't you think?

Source:


The_Frogg
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 682 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:06:04 AM
i'm lefty and i hate jesus but i love guns.

LoofahBoy
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3481 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:43:19 AM
I wonder what kind of guns Jesus had?

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