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Penn and Teller BS on Gun Control

Hits: 5067 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: grassclip
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Monday, November 03, 2008 7:15:44 AM
PS: It's fewer guns, not less. At your age you should know the difference.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Monday, November 03, 2008 7:13:35 AM
@last_ninja

America's murder rate is three times that of Britain's murder rate. Sure, I agree then; people kill, not guns.

So let's conclude from your murder rate that America's population are too violent to be trusted with lethal weapons. Sure, we can't ban snow, but it's probably a good idea to make restrictions where we can.

Otherwise, why don't you just let everyone have atomic bombs in their garages and depleted-uranium munitions in SUV-mounted machine guns? I mean, if people are the cause of murders, you might as well shrug your shoulders, say you can't do anything about it, and sell them some weapons, eh?


last_ninja
Male, 18-29, Western US
 613 Posts
Saturday, November 01, 2008 11:32:21 PM
damn communists! you can take my gun when i die defending the right to have it!

don't cars kill and hurt more people than guns? don't stupid people hurt people regardless of whey use to do it? what's next? are they going to take cars, knives, baseball bats, sticks, chairs, computers, laptops, or any of the other hundreds of everyday things that can hurt someone? on i-a-b a few days ago, there was a post about teens using a snowball to rob someplace. are we going to make SNOW illegal? when will these idiots realize that we need MORE guns rather than less?


MGUESTY
Male, 30-39, Australia
 74 Posts
Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:11:21 PM
Hey it isnt guns that are the problem.
It's people. I disarmed a drunk who threatened me with a knife in a public street one night ,but I was the one who got arrested and charged for assaulting him!

Weiss
Male, 18-29, Canada
 42 Posts
Friday, October 31, 2008 7:13:44 PM
These guys are totally biased...

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:18:53 AM
@steve2071

We have a culture difference then. Britain's law does not support you defending your property with lethal force.

@Lauraly

I agree; it'll be very hard to have a successful ban in the US as things stand, as you already have too many guns out there.

@VikingGuy

Provide a source. Saying "do your research" is not a good enough reason to not show that you have done yours.

And you're right, the source of the violence is humanity, not the guns. But the guns make it easier for that violence to occur. How about we all carry nuclear bombs?

@StefanM

The gap between farmers with rifles and rifle-armed troops was not as great as Joe Public with a handgun against jets and bombs. If you want to keep your government's military from oppressing you, make sure your soldiers are educated, standup citizens, and not high-school dropouts trained to mindlessly obey any order, no matter how unlawful or unconstitutional that order may be. Are you doing that, America?


steve2071
Male, 18-29, Western US
 10 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:57:41 PM
If people disagree with firearms, then don't own them. That is their personal decision and choice. I have absolutely no problem with that. It is a free country here in America. But they have NO RIGHT to take away or limit mine. MYOB.

LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
 10503 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:31:31 PM
The entire concept is bogus, Penn and Teller are wrong - for once, and for the second time today I'm calling most of you fu'cking morons.

vegascartman
Male, 30-39, Western US
 735 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:26:10 PM
>>The old theory that only the criminals will have the guns doesn't hold water.<<

ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. In every single case where personal ownership of handguns was banned, crime skyrocketed because the black market continued to pump guns into the hands of criminals who knew that they faced little defence from law abiding citizens who couldn't own them. England and Australia are perfect examples. They made guns illegal and violent crime statistics went through the roof. Australia is pondering lifting the ban now as a result because they have realized how bad of a decision it was. Just within 2 years of that ban, armed robberies alone went up over 70%. Banning guns is just idiotic on so many levels.


StefanM
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 63 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:14:03 PM
Whether you agree with it or not, the point of the 2nd amendment was to ensure that citizens had a means by which to protect themselves if and when the government became oppressive. Musuko42 commented:

"if the evil powers have got the military on side, your gun won't do squat anyway; they have machine guns and tanks."

When America fought for its independence, they faced an overwhelming force especially in the naval department. But a bunch of farmers (you might call them rednecks nowadays) banded together and managed to fight them off (with some help from the French Navy), so your case is weak.

"Best save your liberty with education and proper voting well before that point."

I absolutely agree with you there. It should never have to come to a revolution, and I hope America never faces anything like that again. But suppose somewhere down the line, it comes to that. If the lawmakers have taken away regular folks' access to weapons, they're screwed!


Tonyjet
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3430 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:55:01 PM
am sorry but am all for guns... you cant sell to me that criminals are not going to be able to have access to weapons, its not possible, and youre fooling yourself if you think criminals are not going to get stuff, that it is forbidden to them, cuz thats the nature of a criminal

i cant wait to buy my dessert eagle


tomahawkjam
Male, 18-29, Europe
 200 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:38:13 PM
dont like guns, come to the uk just knives and sh*t over here, and the occasional meat cleaver blade attach to a baseball bat...

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:20:16 PM
VV That would only make what people own legaly right now illegal and does nothing to get whats out there off the streets.

antagonizer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 506 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:18:33 PM
"And how does banning guns take illegal black market weapons out of circulation?"

Well...if 99% of these black market guns are being appropriated from honest citizens by theft, sale, etc. , then making guns illegal will remove 99% of the guns from the streets. It only makes sense that the 1% of guns being imported will literally jump 1000X in price making them unattainable to the average criminal.

What small time crook is going to be able to pay upwards of $10,000 for a .38? As for the big timers that can afford it...well that's why we have cops.


steve2071
Male, 18-29, Western US
 10 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:39:02 AM
@Musuko42

Preserve liberty. As a citizen of the United States, the Constitution grants me the right to self-preservation. I'm not sure how it's done in other countries, but here in America, we are allowed to defend ourselves against any hostile threats to our person or property. Whether it be our own .gov or another one.

Defend property. It is absolutely fine to defend ones property with deadly force. However, once the threat to your property or person has gone (i.e. - he is running away) it is NOT okay to engage the aggressor with force. Which was the case with your motorcycle, I'm sorry to hear. Though I'm glad you've taken measures to avoid a repeat. If I had caught the perp on the way in, I would have ventilated him, no doubt.

Defend your life. As you said, the firearm is a tool and if used properly, can save lives. If a madman confronts me with the intent to do harm, I can feel safer knowing I have this particular tool in my possession to help me end the threat to my life.


davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12132 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:19:26 AM
Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people.

Vagrant86
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2566 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:13:04 AM
sweetness

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:51:32 AM
"Where do you think 99% these 'blackmarket' guns come from?
Try the closets and drawers of law abiding citizens.
The old theory that only the criminals will have the guns doesn't hold water."

And how does banning guns take illegal black market weapons out of circulation?


iceman22
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 135 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:50:43 AM
The day they come to take our guns is the day we have to make the most important choice of not just our live but the lives of every single person born after us. Are we citizens or subjects?

Vanwa
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 365 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:37:45 AM
I don't like guns at all. But I wouldn't ban them outright. Frankly I'm too scared of the US gov.

My roommate has a bipolar boyfriend who has tried to buy a gun a couple times now and can't because he's bipolar.

Thank god for regulations >_>


antagonizer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 506 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:28:25 AM
Where do you think 99% these 'blackmarket' guns come from?

Try the closets and drawers of law abiding citizens.

The old theory that only the criminals will have the guns doesn't hold water.


madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:53:07 AM
i doubt gun control is realistic here in the USA but I know in european countries with gun control there's no fear of walking the dangerous neighborhoods solo at night. it works elsewhere.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:52:18 AM
I have guns because I like them.

amaqdrinker
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2239 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:45:49 AM
first of all, i don't think i would ever own a gun, but gun control is a silly concept. what we want is violence control and with or without guns there is going to be violence, not to mention the idea that gun control redistributes guns into the hands of criminals is completely true. that lady was out of her f*cking mind by the way.

jimspade
Male, 18-29, Australia
 212 Posts
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:10:35 AM
'In 2005, 24% of the incidents of violent crime, a weapon was present.

Offenders had or used a weapon in 48% of all robberies, compared with 22% of all aggravated assaults and 7% of all rapes/sexual assaults in 2005.

Homicides are most often committed with guns, especially handguns. In 2005, 55% of homicides were committed with handguns, 16% with other guns, 14% with knives, 5% with blunt objects, and 11% with other weapons.'


Taken from the U.S bureau of justice statistics.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_c.htm


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