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$7.5 Trillion Prize for Proving Evolution: Update

Hits: 10309 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: davymid
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Overmann
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3156 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 7:00:49 PM
"Overmann, that was so beautifully stated!"

Thank you, elkingo. It's good to see someone agree with me about open and honest criticism. It's vital to any true democracy.


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3424 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 6:55:23 PM
I have no idea why my posts are doubling lately.. hmm

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3424 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 6:47:47 PM
Overmann, that was so beautifully stated! Dude, I hope to argue with you in the future. haha.. Debate only makes one stronger in his/her faith, or allow them to question it, and is so very important. Jesus calls himself a Shepard, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wants blind sheep as followers!

Overmann
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3156 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 6:40:11 PM
"do you like your beliefs messed with? no? THEN SHUT THE F*CK UP THEN!"

I vehemently disagree. I may not like people trying with all their might to mock my beliefs (or lack of them), but do I hate them for that? Would I prefer them silenced or arrested for expressing criticism? No. And why? Because I would hope and expect them to allow me the same courtesy, neither of which I could realistically do without giving them their space. I am not going out of my way to insult the person, but if I feel what they believe is irrational, I should be able to say so. Disrespecting religious belief is not the same as disrespecting a person's right to believe, which I certainly do not do. And if it seems unusual to you that one should feel compelled to disrespect religious belief (by shielding it from honest criticism, which seems terribly childish to me), let me remind you that there are many other beliefs we openly disrespect, such as racism or sexism.


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3424 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 6:33:07 PM
Perhaps I am a bit confused on the terminology, as it all seems so negative to me. I guess it might help to state my view: I do believe in the Creator, and I do believe in some things I have studied in science.. most specifically evolution. I do not believe in young earth, nor do I believe in the earth being trillions of years old. I think there is good data to support that.. (magnetic fields, erosion, ect.. ) I don't think earth is quite as young as most creationist say, but not quite as old as most scientists say either. I think natural selection does take place, but not to the point of speciation (that is to say that species evolve enough that they can't breed with one another.. when talking about large scale animals, bacteria and plants are a different story, in which case I think it can happen.) I don't think everything came from one common ancestor in short. I do think things evolve in the sense on minor changes, not major ones. I don't think for example a cat can become a bear.

alfietoon
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1168 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 4:54:45 PM
shouldnt the $7.5 million be for proving god? which is harder to prove

Qtw
Male, 13-17, Western US
 36 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 3:58:08 PM
ok i believe in BOTH evolution and god but still...
you cannot arrest someone for spreading their beliefs. anyone here who says gays and atheist are pure evil GO F*CK YOURSELVES!seriously and those who say god is a myth and that believers are stupid GO F*CK YOURSELVES! donot say ones faith or lack of faith is evil or retarded!
do you like your beliefs messed with? no? THEN SHUT THE F*CK UP THEN!the world would be a better place without biblethumpers and extremests. i say religion is a good thing but taking it too far is bad. dont mess with anyones faith or beliefs.

sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2321 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 3:55:38 PM
Thanks Davymid. Common drating sense man, common drating sense. Unfortunately common sense is relatively uncommon.

Overmann
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3156 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 2:39:01 PM
I remember hearing that a history teacher at the college for which I tutor had his hands on a book that disproved evolution, so I asked to see it. It was Oktar's Atlas of Creation. I hadn't known of the man at the time but upon reading it I very quickly picked up on the bias and agenda. Not only through the opening mission statement, but also in its more subtle and completely incorrect and unorthodox penging of natural selection as a 'chance' process. The history teacher, I learned much later, is a minister. Even so, it doesn't seem as though he brought the book to any biology faculty because they could have immediately had corrected him. Alas. Even today it annoys me that anyone, teacher or not, could be deceived by such utterly fabricated sh*t like this. Dress any ludicrous idea in pseudo-science and you can expect the herd to swallow it whole. Man I feel like getting into a live evolution debate.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 2:06:58 PM
vv *Claps* Bravo, Sixclaws, well said.

sixclaws13
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2321 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 1:37:15 PM
I consider myself more a less an orthodox creationist, in that I believe (not just have been blindly led to believe, but whole heartedly believe) that everything was created, essentially the way it says in the Bible. I do not think the Earth is 10,000 years old, there is absolutely no evidence for that. The Bible, like every important thing in mankinds history, has been distorted and abused for personal gain. It has been misinterpreted hundreds of times over the thousands of years, and many of those misunderstandings, both the deliberate and the accidental, have stuck around. If you are a true believer, your duty is not to make millions for your church, to disprove science or to hate gays. Every human, but especially those who claim to be representing religion, has a responsibility to his fellow man. Using religion as a way to justify your hatred, make money or start wars is more of an abomination than homosexuality ever will be.

itsallfake
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 475 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 1:34:14 PM
Thanks Davey, i think you cleared the water in eyes...

itsallfake
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 475 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 1:27:13 PM
but to say your an orthodox creationist but not a fundie is like saying you believe the earth is flat and then taking a cruise around the world... you cant believe something so simplistic and fantastical is fact, and think that other things in the bible less fantastical are deniable...

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 1:17:18 PM
What I'm talking about is the kind of Creationist (often called Young-Earth Creationist) who deliberately bury their head in their holy book and refute the direct evidence of decades of scientific advancement in fields such as evolutionary biology, radiometric dating, palaeontology, geohistory, planetary physics etc etc etc.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 1:17:07 PM
Elingo, I don't believe that's what fake was saying at all... He was making a point about the forced switch in terminology (no-one's fault, really) as the word "fundamentalist" started to take on very negative connotations in a post 9-11 America.

Anyway, I'm totally comfortable with creationism as Fake describes it. If you accept the laws of physics etc but believe that was set in motion by a creator, then that's fine. I don't believe that, but then again (to be humble here) I'm a professional scientist, and science has no clear answer yet as to the origins of the universe. We're getting there, but we simply don't know yet (notice I say I don't believe there is s creator. I would be a bad scientist if I wrote off the possibility completely until the matter is proven).


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3424 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 1:07:11 PM
Maybe, I should have put it in quotations.. "fundamental jerk". What I was reffering to was your comparrison of all fundamentalist as possible terroists, or close minded individuals.

itsallfake
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 475 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 1:02:39 PM
but to put it to your argument, believing in the tora/bible/koran creation IS fundamentalism at its very core. (There really needs to be a prefix to creationism when referring to the tora/bible/koran creation story. Something like orthodox creationist? Yeah, ill call them orthodox creationists...) You can't be an orthodox creationist and NOT be a fundamentalist and you cant be a fundamentalist without being an orthodox creationist. Now, if your like me and more of a deist creationist, then you say things like "i believe the laws of nature and physics were created, i believe the boundries were defined and the universe was set into motion, and everything up to this very moment in time is a direct result of that cause and effect dictated by those laws." That is a creation belief but i would not attach the label of creationist to myself because it IS a term used for fundamentalists in this nation.

itsallfake
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 475 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 12:51:02 PM
oh i believe the universe was created, dont get me wrong, but im not a genisis/young earth creationist. The term creationist is, in most cases, associated with people who believe the earth was created exactly the way the first couple of paragraphs in the tora/bible/koran says it was. That is a fundamentalist, but you dont here the term fundamentalist in the US anymore. Because it has switched to creationist. Its easier to say "im a creationist" than to say "im a fundamentalist" in the US. If someone said, "im a muslim fundamentalist" here in the US people would become very uncomfortable around them, but to say "im a muslim creationist" makes it sound like your in the same boat with every other creationist out there. But the term creationist started in the US, its a US term that has replaced fundamentalist and i predict that within 10 years there wont be fundementalists anywhere, there will only be creationists... 1000 character limit again...

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3424 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 12:39:37 PM
85% of the world population, and .001% of that population makes the rest of us look like idiots..

Believing in Creation doesn't make you a fundamental jerk fake.. I don't know exactly why you make that link, but whatever.


itsallfake
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 475 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 12:35:08 PM
That was my 1000 character or less summary on the subject anyway...

itsallfake
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 475 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 12:33:09 PM
BlackiPod
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
947 Posts Monday, October 13, 2008 8:17:01 AM
Am I the only one who noticed that the article on IAB says "Creationist" but the actual article says "Islamic"

I've covered this before on here im sure, but let me fill you in. Creationist is the new post 9/11 term for fundamentalist. When the media began the post 9/11 coverage of the terrorists and other terrorists around the world, the media and the president threw the terms fundamentalist, extremist, and terrorist all in the same speeches and sometimes in the same sentence. So the term fundamentalist became associated with extremist and terrorist very quickly. Especially since it was fundamentalists bombed abortion clinics int he past. About that time there was a movement in one of the southern states i dont remember which where creationism was a science being introduced. Fundies quickly embraced that term and their cause so they can drop out of the terrorist spotlight.


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3424 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 12:19:28 PM
Well, on that note, I can agree with you.. People who don't learn all sorts of proven things, and blindly follow anything are morons to me also.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 12:17:07 PM
Elkingo, when I refer to stupid I'm not applying that to anyone with a faith, but "Fundamentalists". Specifically Young-Earth Creationists like this guy, the people who set up the Creation Museum, the guys over at Answersingenesis.org etc. These muppets are just one rung above flat-earthers on the scale of absolute mouth-breathing glazed-eyed god-mumbling idiocy.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3424 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 11:23:12 AM
yes, you and the other 15% keep telling yourselves that.

LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
 10503 Posts
Monday, October 13, 2008 11:16:08 AM
85% of the world is therefore stupid.

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