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Palin Guilty of Abusing Her Power

Hits: 6533 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: davymid
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elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3404 Posts
Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:59:59 PM
idiot.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3404 Posts
Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:59:27 PM
thats not me, jack arse.. and no I don't "blindy" follow anyone.. I make my own choices.

sam111
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 77 Posts
Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:19:55 AM
i want palin for president!!!

orionsbelt
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 151 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 7:01:23 PM
elkingo...can you honestly say u don't blindly defend the republican party??? don't lie...

orionsbelt
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 151 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:59:15 PM
a wild elkingo appeared!!!

Nelson uses common sense!

It's super effective!!!


__carebear__
Female, 13-17, Western US
 754 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:52:26 PM
Lol, I was really hoping this was posted by a person who wasn't a mod to see if they became banned. But it was davy.

Awwwww D:


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3404 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 3:42:37 PM
orionsbelt, your an idiot.

I never claimed that you have to blindly follow anyone. I was the one who said no matter what you are registered as you can vote ever how you want. I guess you didn't read that huh?


Nidonemo
Male, 18-29, Western US
 9216 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:18:51 PM
Sometimes I wish things could be solved with (I want to say binary, 1 or 0) a simple yes / no.

orionsbelt
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 151 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:09:49 PM
people aren't democrats or republicans...they are just people

it's that kind of talk that causes people to blindly defend or attack a politician...because they think they are part of the same team, but we have no reason to blindly stick to either of these candidates

i'm sure we all know elkingo is a blind republican...who will defend any position taken up by the republican party...

but don't believe his crap about you being a republican or democrat because your just a person and these labels mean nothing in the end...vote for who you want to...not who someone else says is on your side


Zerocyde
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3279 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:24:57 AM
Haha! We are gonna have a president who actually gives a poo about the religious freedom of the American people and their isn't poo you tards can do about it!

Yall are just pissed because Jesus can't write any new laws for at least the next four years. Unless, of course, he assassinates Obama. Which I sure as hell wouldn't put it past a conservative to do.


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3404 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:07:40 AM
Yes it has! Great debating with you!

orionsbelt
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 151 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:00:51 AM
Sarah Palin is under attack for being corrupt!!!

Conservacrab!!! I choose you!!!!

OBAMA = OSAMA

BIAS BIAS BIAS

MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK

HOCKEY MOM, AVERAGE JOE, I CAN SEE RUSSIA

but it misses...


almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:58:43 AM
sorry elkingo, I'm gonna have to call this to a halt, going out to the pub soon. It's been fun though :)

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3404 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:52:45 AM
Her grounds was to pause the investigation until she had time to show up for court and to defend herself. She still maintains innocence. But, for some unknown reason this investigation had to be released early!

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3404 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:51:13 AM
I realize you didn't choose the term abuse, but to say that different ethics are weak ethics is incorrect. Say she follows the Judeao-Christian Model.. as opposed to Rule-Utilitarianism.. both are strong ethical arguments.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3404 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:49:26 AM
Oh, to illustrate the voting thing:

Democrats are still democrats even if they deeply oppose Obama's Socialistic Health Care.. so they vote independent or republican.. they are still democrats, just disagree with Socialism.


almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:49:02 AM
Surely she would have argued that right from the start then? Only one thing changed that made her start complaining - she became McCain's running partner.


What are her grounds for complaint? That the overseer was a democrat? That's pretty weak.

And yes, unethical doesn't mean abuse, but strong ethics are usually important in powerful politicians. You don't want someone with weak ethics wielding vast power.

And the report itself said "abuse of power", I didn't choose the word abuse.


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3404 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:45:24 AM
Some points of interest:

-saying something is un-ethical doesn't make it abuse.

-If you don't show up for court, you are automatically guilty.

-Americans have the right to
a. fair trial
b. appeals
(Palin is arguing that it wasn't a fair trial)


almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:42:12 AM
Even if it isn't a crime, it's not an encouraging characteristic in a vice-president. She would have a whole load of power to abuse.

I don't think that the probe would be democrat influenced any more than republican influenced. The main guy was a democrat, but the majority on the panel were republican. If all those republicans disagreed with the final report, why haven't they all said so? They must agree, which tells me that, whatever your political affiliation, the evidence clearly shows she is guilty.

And I think that an early release would be less damaging than suddenly, on the day before the election, all the headlines screaming "PALIN ABUSES POWER", the night before the election. It's hard to see how an early release could be worse for the republicans than that.


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3404 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:35:21 AM
But you're a republican."
"Yeah."

Completely correct.


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3404 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:34:30 AM
ah yes, but some things that are detrimental are left out.

Possibilities:
1 The investigation probe was democrat influenced.
2. It wasn't.
3. It was supposed to be released Nov. 3rd
3.a It is more detrimental to release it now

Say 1 is true. Then the investigation is polluted with a bias view, and needs to be thrown out.

Say 2 is true. It still has to go to legislation.

3 Tricky, because it is now held up until it gets to legislation, which is important because democrats can now say, "your guilty of power abuse" whether it is made a crime or not, and they have also eliminated the possibility of a new investigation.


almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:31:07 AM
OK yes, but if I said:

"I'm a republican."
"So you voted for McCain?"
"No, Obama."
"But he's a democrat."
"Yeah."
"But you're a republican?"
"Yeah."
"Wouldn't you agree that, for the purposes of this election, you're a democrat?"
"No."
"But you voted democrat."
"Yeah."
"So you wanted a democrat to be president, not a republican?"
"Yeah."
"But you're a republican."
"Yeah."


almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:28:20 AM
OK back to Palin. There are two outcomes:
1) She is innocent of abusing her power.
2) She is guilty of abusing her power.


Let's assume she is actually innocent.
By the time the panel reaches this conclusion, it's become apparent that Palin will be McCain's running partner, something they didn't know initially.
The panel is majority republican, and they can all see that showing she is innocent will help the republicans win the election. And yet they all agree to report that she is guilty, even though it would be too late to use it as an get rid of her as McCain's running partner.

Situation 2 - she is guilty.
The panel did their job, and honestly reported that she was guilty, even though the republicans knew they were damaging the chances of a republican victory.


elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3404 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:25:10 AM
No.. in America a registered Democrat can vote Independent, or Republican. Just as a republican can vote independent or democrat. Independents can vote democrat or republican also.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:23:35 AM
"1. You assume that Palin is their candidate first.
2. The "Some republicans" in point 5, is the important ones supporting McCain and Palin for the presidency/vp"

Surely all republicans are supporting McCain/Palin? Who else is running?

If they're not going to vote for McCain, they must be voting for Obama, making them democrats. Or independent I suppose, but never mind them.


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