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6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

Hits: 20846 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: Weird | Added by: fancylad
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tornadofdoom
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 1090 Posts
Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:19:23 PM
Psh, *in a ridiculing way* they're brainwashing you. What? That's like community organizing.

MYCHEMGIRL
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
 1429 Posts
Saturday, September 27, 2008 12:30:40 PM
My dad laughed when it showed McCain as a skeleton. Then he madea comment," Obama is onna look so cool when he's old. He'll have white hair, dark skin *chuckle*

BoomBox
Male, 13-17, Western US
 1230 Posts
Friday, September 26, 2008 8:17:40 AM
I just read the titles. Cause it was too long.

Bekll
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1976 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:12:24 PM
"Incidentally, Bekll, my wife, my boss, and my best friend all hate Dawkins because he makes Atheists look bad. I don't think you can call Zira on that."

How can an atheist make atheists look bad? We're NOT a group! He doesn't speak for himself as an atheist, but objectively viewing the world and why irrationality doesn't belong in reality. He explains the science behind evolution.

That's pretty much it. Of course he's not the voice for atheists, every atheist has a his/her own opinion about everything because after "lack of belief in god" anything goes for who atheists are!


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:07:36 PM
Sigh, ok in one post now in an attempt to bring some of this in line.

My point was that the same prejudices are coming into play here, as come in to play with anyone who is prejudiced against any other group, of course I picked the worst examples, that's why Godwin's law exists.

If I said "You're like an angry Sunderland supporter vs a NU supporter" 90% of the people here would be "Eh?", you would be "and..." and my point would be wasted.

Everyone knows the Nazis, nobody says "So?" to Nazis. Effect: Godwins law exists.

(Also, if you want a serious debate, pehaps don't open up with a snide comment?
"Saying as my opponent cannot refute my points"
Appeals to authority:
"I've had many deep conversations with Christians and I was one").
and so on.

Incidentally, Bekll, my wife, my boss, and my best friend all hate Dawkins because he makes Atheists look bad. I don't think you can call Zira on that.


primetimekin
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 8111 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:55:06 PM
"Anyway, just because we (respectfully) disagree with each other on something like religious views, has nothing to do with us getting along as adults, at least I would hope so."

I have a friend who's an athiest. All of our conversations start funny.


yoimmylene
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 2086 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:32:26 PM
Anyone else think this was a wee bit too perverted? -.-;

Vagrant86
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2566 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:20:17 AM
i just saw titties and that was it...

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12072 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:20:07 AM
This is in no way meant as an insult Davy, after all you and I usually get along fine. I'm just saying...(please don't hurt me!) *hides in bomb shelter*

Come on, Zira! I don't take it as an insult at all, in fact I enjoy a reasoned debate as much as the next guy/girl. I think it's a mark of maturity to be able to have a debate without resorting to insults... Wouldn't you agree, Baal?

Anyway, just because we (respectfully) disagree with each other on something like religious views, has nothing to do with us getting along as adults, at least I would hope so. Likewise, if we had differing political views, let's have a good debate and leave it at the door when we're done. No harm, no foul.

Contrast that with the picture that Baal just painted of me being no different than a jew-hating, n*gg*r-hating KKK fascist. You might see why I'm a bit miffed.


QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:17:23 AM
I personally love what High Priestess Phyllis Curott has to say on the subject,"Learning from nature we see that it takes a diverse community of interdependant actors to create a healthy ecosystem. Not all pine trees, not all chipmunks.
It doesn't matter what faith persuasion you are, as long as your practices link you back to the sacred."

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:04:30 AM
That response to religious diversity is not the only one, as previously mentioned there is pluralism, process metaphysics ect.
Atheist critiques of religion are not always wrong, I agree with most of them in fact. But it also seems that many atheists don't understand the metaphysics behind religion either and to ignore these other benign forms of religiousity is to sentence yourself to the same narrow mindedness that extremists adopt.

This is in no way meant as an insult Davy, after all you and I usually get along fine. I'm just saying...(please don't hurt me!) *hides in bomb shelter*


davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12072 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:55:08 AM
Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post again, and here I go...

vv "I can barely make it through a Dawkins or Hitchins book b/c of all the smug self satisfaction and condescencion therein."

I find it genuinely impossible to envisage ANY position more smug, self-satisfied and condescending than the following:

"I, along with everyone else of my faith, is going to enjoy eternal bliss in [insert faith's notion of heaven]. Everyone else is going to have their eternal soul burn in the fires of damnation. Awfully sorry and all, but that's how it is. Our faith is the right one, everyone else is wrong. We are [insert deity here]'s chosen people. You have your chance to convert to our religion, if you don't take it, it's your funeral. I will pray to [my deity] that you see the light and join us, for the sake of your soul".

Irony?


Bekll
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1976 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:08:19 AM
"What Baal was talking about is the snide intellectual arrogance of someone like Dawkins who thinks he's smarter than everyone else b/c he has all the answers and anyone who does't agree is a mindless peon."

Dawkins is a soft-spoken, intelligent man. He is NOT arrogant. He even admits he's not a gnostic atheist himself. Don't spew mindless hate... it makes you look bad.


newlife
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 254 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:46:35 AM
this is so stupid...brainwashing...
everyone these days are so scared and paranoid about EVERYTHING that they tend to beleive the hippie generation of conspiracies and false truths about things....GROW UP PPL!!!
OSAMA destroyed the towers (because Clinton didn't have the balls to assasinate osama during his office so Bush got the blunt end of it; true for those of you who are too young to know what had happened back then!!!)
I do tend to agree (sometimes) that the government isn't telling the truth about things...but is that reason to hate your country and start burning the good old red white and blue? NO!!!
If you think everyone is out to brainwash you, then crawl under a rock and don't come out for the rest of your life!!!!

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:43:05 AM
I can barely make it through a Dawkins or Hitchins book b/c of all the smug self satisfaction and condescencion therein. As if the author cannot make it down off his high horse and speak to me like an equal, instead of a serf.
Ultimately I have to say, Baal has you both by the throat on this one.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:39:09 AM
Religion is not inherently harmful. There are plenty of religious people(the majority really) who do not commit genocide, persecutions ect. in the name of religion. There are plenty of religious people who do a lot of good in the name of their faith, Mother Teresa for example. There are governments that take the tack that all religon is nonsense and then forcibly destroy faith within their borders via violence, persecution ect. because "religion is the opiate of the masses." (theist mentality my ass)

Having or not having religion doesn't make you any better or any worse than anybody else. Both sides are just as capable of producing good people or ass holes. What Baal was talking about is the snide intellectual arrogance of someone like Dawkins who thinks he's smarter than everyone else b/c he has all the answers and anyone who does't agree is a mindless peon.


davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12072 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:39:08 AM
Anyway, I'm done on this thread. I'm just letting you know so that when I don't respond further I'm not "blowing you off". I'll respectfully read your response but I reckon we both have better things to do with our time.

And also because, to put my Mod hat on for a minute, we are getting wildly off-topic with all these multiple posts. And yes, I'm the one who started it.


davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12072 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:36:32 AM
"I mean seriously, "I hate dem coloured folk, I hope y'all can respect my position as I respect yours". No. Just no." It's a real shame that you feel the need to distort this into a personal attack by trying to parody me as some kind of Southern Redneck "I hate Sambo" KKK parody. I thought I was going to get an intelligent debate on our alternate world-views, and I was trying to extend the handshake of mutual respect for each other's position, and your response was evoke Godwin's Law. Shame that.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12072 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:36:17 AM
"In conclusion, having a faith or not having a faith, does not change who you are to a degree where you are any more tolerant of anyone else." What? Are you serious? Last time I checked, there's a fair amount of "intolerance" in religion. There are no atheist suicide bombers. No-one's planting car bombs in the name of Man Utd. Genocides aren't carried out in the name of gender. I stand by my point that religious faith is a completely artificial layer of man-made tribalism (very different from gender, race, etc). Look at Iraq, today. If the Sunni Muslims and Shi'ite Muslims didn't have such artifical labels (slightly different flavours of Islam this time, as a parallel to the Northern Ireland example I gave earlier), how would they know who was the right kind of Muslim to blow up? It's all bollocks.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12072 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:36:02 AM
Yes, I believe the world would be better off without religion. That's very different from saying "I hate religious people". I'm fully respectful of anyone of any religion, just as I'm respectful of someone who has sexist views. I fundamentally disagree with sexism in any form, but that's emphatically NOT the same thing as saying "I hate sexists". I don't understand why that's difficult to grasp: Conservative Christians use this all the time to defend their anti-homosexual views. "God doesn't hate gay people, He hates homosexuality". You know the line.


davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12072 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:35:48 AM
"My irk, comes from the final comment "In other news, I'm deeply anti-religious". I take it in the same way as I should take it. The same as "I hate Blacks/Jews/etc". Woah woah woah there Baal. You're completely distorting what I was saying, and you know it. I was pointing out that religion has many ways of brainwashing people (you bet it does), not that religious people are somehow worthy of vehemence.

Bekll
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1976 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:54:56 AM
"I've been attacked in the UK a good 7 or 8 times for my faith, I've had bricks thrown through my window, my dad's car was trashed, and my mother was attacked, mostly by Atheists."

I highly doubt a mob of atheists physically attacked religious people. Atheism is not a religion - atheists don't get together and plan to attack out of spite. That is *theistic* mentality.


Bekll
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1976 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:51:02 AM
"My irk, comes from the final comment "In other news, I'm deeply anti-religious". I take it in the same way as I should take it. The same as "I hate Blacks/Jews/etc"."

Blacks and Jews aren't harmful. Religion is. That's the key difference you're conveniently ignoring.


Bekll
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1976 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:45:05 AM
"It's the problem with religion "Us vs them", and "Us vs them" is present in Atheism too."

Not really. Theists want so much for atheism to be a religion. Sad really.

Atheism is not a side. It's simply the default position. Don't make it into something it's not.


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:09:33 AM
I'm not talking to everyone and neither is he. I'm talking to him and he's talking to me.

In either case, obviously we read them, or we wouldn't reply with further long winded gripes. :P

Then again I'm weird like that. Reading before replying an all, I hear it's not fashionable these days.


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