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Dear Mr. Obama

Hits: 10346 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: primetimekin
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davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 11783 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:33:34 PM
vv "the tens of thousands of of Kurds that Saddam Hussein killed in his own ethnic cleansing?"

Saddam was convicted of killing 148 Kurds, that what he was hung for. Granted it was probably many more than that, but "tens of thousands" I'm gonna call you out on and ask for sources there mate, cause it smells like bullsh*t.

On the other hand, there have been confirmed somewhere between 80,000 and 95,000 Iraqi civilian deaths since the invasion (acc to Iraq Body Count)

And as for Darfur? Well, there's a valuable resource that Iraq has lots of that Sudan doesn't...


primetimekin
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 8111 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:31:45 PM
"beyond anyone's wildest expectations"

... Didnt McCain expect it (not saying you said it, it twas Obama)

And a lot of new members today


davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 11783 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:27:13 PM
Aaaaaand we have another new member. Welcome to IAB, ShotgunDave.

ShotgunDave
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 2 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:23:59 PM
Wow. There are a lot of two-legged people with some high-minded opinions here - many from other countries. My take? When you've had your leg blown off in defense of the freedom of others - whether you agree with the fight or not - THEN you get to talk poo. Until then, while I respect your right to make stupid comments, I'll still think you're full of poo.

Cowards abound and, wouldn't you know it, they always seem to be the ones shouting loudest about why the bravery and honor of others is for bad reasons.

Wonder why?

Even the supposed Messiah, Senator Obama himself, now says the Iraq war surge worked "beyond anyone's wildest expectations". Why is it the people so adamant that we must do something in Darfur in defense of human rights care so little about the tens of thousands of of Kurds that Saddam Hussein killed in his own ethnic cleansing? Maybe it doesn't fit the liberal ideology? Check the history records, folks. It's true. Mass weapons or not, Saddam was ge


Dragonlord
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 742 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:22:59 PM
The Iraqi war was a mistake. He wouldn't have to be there saving peoples lives if we never went in in the first place, because there wouldn't be a civil war going on, nor a war against Americans, nor an excess of political terrorism. The reason he's there isn't because the land was unstable and needed help, but because we made it unstable.

In all due respect, this guy might be doing the right thing in a bad situation, but that doesn't mean he should be promoting the situation as a whole. Schindler may have saved a lot of lives, but I don't think he would defend the holocaust.


davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 11783 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:22:33 PM
There seems to be some confusion on this guy's part that saying the invasion of Iraq was a mistake (it was), is the same as saying you don't support/respect our troops. Thats utter bollocks.

Of course we support our troops (I'm British, our boys are getting killed too), and we all want them to come home safely. But it's really really OK to support the troops and at the same time oppose the war and the lies we were all fed going into it.

I'm constantly amazed that there are millions of people out there who cannot (or will not) make the distiction between those two compatible views.


Clayboy
Male, 18-29, Canada
 654 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:14:41 PM
Hmmm.. sorry to say it, but this guy is complete denial if he thinks there were no mistakes going to war with Iraq. Even if he lost a leg fighting for his country.. this doesn't change that simple fact.

akijade
Female, 18-29, Western US
 1008 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:10:36 PM
The last time we set up a government in Iraq, Saddam Hussein got put in charge.

ecpkngt
Female, 18-29, Western US
 159 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:07:28 PM
vv Also, using his military status in a political advert is dodgy.

ecpkngt
Female, 18-29, Western US
 159 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:06:51 PM
"This "we're helping the Iraqis out" is a bunch of bullpoo. In the end, we're not helping them. We'll set up a democracy, sure, but we all know it'll fall in 2 year..."

Be that as it may, this guy was probably talking about something a little more personal. Whatever can be said about the war itself, there are soldiers over there teaching leadership, military tactics and the laws of armed conflict, medicine and technical skills, as well as providing humanitarian aid and medical care. When they say we're helping the Iraqi people, well, they've been too close to the issue to be talking politics.

That's why he said "we're helping the Iraqis" and not "we're helping Iraq"

I'm glad there's good being done but for the record, I don't think we should go to war without real and immediate danger to us or our allies. The end never justifies the means, and trying to control the world isn't my idea of freedom.

Also, his using his military status in a p


mjfoxman
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 341 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:06:38 PM
yellowsquare
there was no possible way for these people to fight for themselves, they had no military, they had no money, and a lot of them don't even have houses. Because of the US, they now have started to train and set up a military, they have started to set up a government, and since the government is done by voting they don't have to deal with a dictator who will take all of there economy's money. By the way around 8 million of the citizens voted in the first election which is 60% of the population, which is more votes percentage wise than in the 2004 election where only 56.7% of all eligible voters voted, and the Iraqis did that while there were death threats by the terrorists for voting, i don't know about u but i call that fighting for freedom

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 11783 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:06:28 PM
Aaaaand we have a new member! Welcome to IAB, mollacins14.

rgandi1
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 84 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:01:58 PM
thats not trolling davy, in fact i back you up 100%. well i think saddam needed to go. then again, its a biased view since im muslim and he only launched a teeny tiny genocide against us but in any case, it all boils down to this: we didnt need to invade Iraq. we figured, hey 9/11 happened, we can get away with alot of s*it. why not invade iraq!" and now were paying for it.

opiebreath
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 16061 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 8:01:06 PM
Cash, I'm pretty sure he's just giving his opinion, just like you are.

No need for such harsh words.


Cashcleaner
Male, 18-29, Canada
 320 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:58:49 PM
Go drat yourself buddy. There are plenty of liberals and Democrat voters working in the armed forces right now. And many of them (including notable generals) believe that the war was a mistake from Day 1.

Just because you wear a uniform it doesn't mean you're a spokesperson for all servicemen.


davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 11783 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:53:24 PM
Whatever. At risk of having to ban myself for trolling, in my humble opinion, Iraq is f*cked and was (relatively) better off under Saddam.

goaliejerry
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:49:20 PM
Big bad saddam was found hiding in a hidey hole in the desert. Now look at us.

WE ARE SENDING TROOPS BACK TO AFGHANISTAN, 7 years later. WHY?

BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FINISH THE JOB BEFORE WE GOT CAUGHT UP IN IRAQ.


goaliejerry
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:46:54 PM
Its actually simple. Osama attacked us. He was, by his own admission, located in Afghanistan, under the protection of the Taliban. He also admitted that he attacked us on 9/11.

We invaded Afghanistan, overthrew the Taliban, and defeated their militias.

High on rightous victory, what did we do? Did we invest in Afghanistan, ensure local government stability? Ensure that the boarder regions with Pakistan were cleared? NO.

Instead, we invaded IRAQ, a country we had on LOCKDOWN since '92, a country with NO active airforce because we maintained active, armed enforcement of no-fly zones. A COUNTRY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAMIC TERRORISM.

Here is a fact most of you young ones may not appreciate - SADDAM HATED ISLAMIC MILITANTS - THERE WERE NONE IN HIS COUNTRY. Why? Because he killed them.

History is harsh and blunt - the U.S. was complicit in Saddam's power (we sold him weapons to fight Iran), but he had NOTHING to do with the WAR ON TERROR.


kittyloaf
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 217 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:45:54 PM
Calling a mistake a mistake doesnt disrespect anyone. The act of helping out others isnt a mistake, but the way in which we did it was a mistake. McCain and Obama are both patriots, and care about the country...

Tdogg111
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 530 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:45:25 PM
nice video, but there definately were some major screw ups in going to iraq. The thing is though that now that were here and have taken away there form of government, if we leave then it will lead to chaos between the factions. Its like we solved a problem, but in doing so caused an even bigger problem in which we have no choice but to try and solve

I believe we need to put at least some sort of government in that can hold power, but then once we manage to leave Iraq try and modify/substain it.


whtevr
Female, 40-49, Southern US
 910 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:40:36 PM
Like the motto says "Country first".

hornytoad666
Male, 13-17, Canada
 15 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:40:18 PM
meh

mollacins14
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 5 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:37:13 PM
really touching video but no one can deny that there were mistakes made in the war and in the decision process to go to war.

Nidonemo
Male, 18-29, Western US
 9216 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:32:49 PM
It's politics... -_-

yellowsquare
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1602 Posts
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:23:22 PM
"I have a new car, I didnt pay for it, I appreciate it."

I knew someone was going to say that.

(TYPICALLY) Someone who buys their own car appreciates the value a lot more than someone who gets it as a gift.

Props to you for understanding the value of your car :)


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