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Atheist Discrimination In Army

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schnarre
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 21 Posts
Friday, November 20, 2009 1:56:37 AM
Vid's been removed. *grrrr*

stabbykill
Male, 18-29, Europe
 26 Posts
Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:59:59 PM
planet.

They tell us to open our minds and embrace their religion? I will NOT (including this site) listen to anyone who hasn't at least tried more than one religion. The reason being they have nothing to compare their religion to, and the fact they have such a blind faith (most likely induced by parents, a fear of death, or someone dying i.e. a hope to see them again) and thus makes any attempts at debate with them like talking to a brick wall.

By all means, I know and like many people who follow their own religious beliefs - as a way to better themselves, because they like to think there's life after death or simply because they enjoy it - and thats great! :)

It's when people force it upon others, or make them uncomfortable to do so, that makes me DESPISE them as people. I've studied the U.S.A. and its religion at University in the UK, and am amazed at the cult-like (think of the Masons) tendencies it's showing. And hardly anyone even sees it. (expecting rants now)


stabbykill
Male, 18-29, Europe
 26 Posts
Wednesday, October 08, 2008 10:26:14 AM
planet.

They tell us to open our minds and embrace their religion? I will NOT (including this site) listen to anyone who hasn't at least tried more than one religion. The reason being they have nothing to compare their religion to, and the fact they have such a blind faith (most likely induced by parents, a fear of death, or someone dying i.e. a hope to see them again) and thus makes any attempts at debate with them like talking to a brick wall.

By all means, I know and like many people who follow their own religious beliefs - as a way to better themselves, because they like to think there's life after death or simply because they enjoy it - and thats great! :)

It's when people force it upon others, or make them uncomfortable to do so, that makes me DESPISE them as people. I've studied the U.S.A. and its religion at University in the UK, and am amazed at the cult-like (think of the Masons) tendencies it's showing. And hardly anyone even sees it. (expecting rants now)


stabbykill
Male, 18-29, Europe
 26 Posts
Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:59:32 AM
planet.

They tell us to open our minds and embrace their religion? I will NOT (including this site) listen to anyone who hasn't at least tried more than one religion. The reason being they have nothing to compare their religion to, and the fact they have such a blind faith (most likely induced by parents, a fear of death, or someone dying i.e. a hope to see them again) and thus makes any attempts at debate with them like talking to a brick wall.

By all means, I know and like many people who follow their own religious beliefs - as a way to better themselves, because they like to think there's life after death or simply because they enjoy it - and thats great! :)

It's when people force it upon others, or make them uncomfortable to do so, that makes me DESPISE them as people. I've studied the U.S.A. and its religion at University in the UK, and am amazed at the cult-like (think of the Masons) tendencies it's showing. And hardly anyone even sees it. (expecting rants now)


stabbykill
Male, 18-29, Europe
 26 Posts
Wednesday, September 03, 2008 2:41:41 AM
planet.

They tell us to open our minds and embrace their religion? I will NOT (including this site) listen to anyone who hasn't at least tried more than one religion. The reason being they have nothing to compare their religion to, and the fact they have such a blind faith (most likely induced by parents, a fear of death, or someone dying i.e. a hope to see them again) and thus makes any attempts at debate with them like talking to a brick wall.

By all means, I know and like many people who follow their own religious beliefs - as a way to better themselves, because they like to think there's life after death or simply because they enjoy it - and thats great! :)

It's when people force it upon others, or make them uncomfortable to do so, that makes me DESPISE them as people. I've studied the U.S.A. and its religion at University in the UK, and am amazed at the cult-like (think of the Masons) tendencies it's showing. And hardly anyone even sees it. (expecting rants now)


TheGrag
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 1548 Posts
Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:11:59 AM
""There are no Atheist in Fox Holes"

Great line."

Gotta love M*A*S*H*. xD


taelmx
Female, 18-29, Western US
 244 Posts
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:31:07 AM
Is this the one you were talking about?

taelmx
Female, 18-29, Western US
 244 Posts
Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:25:01 AM
I think I may have that image that somebody was too afraid to put up...lemme find it...I'll put it in one of the next few posts...

lololeela
Female, 30-39, Midwest US
 330 Posts
Monday, August 18, 2008 10:45:38 AM
I'm an atheist and I was in the army and spent a year in Iraq. I didn't feel discriminated against. If there was something religious going on, I just didn't participate. How other soldiers responded to me depended on the soldier. One christian soldier made a case to the higher ups that those who don't attend a church service should NOT be made to clean the barracks instead, which they almost made us do. So, most of the theists were totally cool. I only spoke out about my atheism when I was asked about my beliefs. Otherwise, I figured it was nobody's business.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1400 Posts
Monday, August 18, 2008 10:26:07 AM
Another stupid thing about this case: The guy started an "atheist club" or something?

WTF do we need meetings for? Worship of the fact we don't need to worship?

Let the kool-aid drinkers have their churches; forming an Atheist Club was just pouring gas on the fire.


Dragoliz
Female, 13-17, Australia
 94 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:26:09 PM
Someone further back said that ruling by religion doesn't work. Some places that is true. But ruling by pure atheism, died miserably. Communism set up by Lenin was completely Athiest, had they eased back on religion perhaps there would be more communist nations doing it right. Only Cuba has managed that and it is extremely poor because USA refuses to trade with it. People should not discriminate against others because of what they believe. We need unity. I have atheist friends and Christian friends. (I am Christian myself)and I don't raise the matter with my atheist comrades. Easy. We respect each others rights to believe w/e we want.

catbarf
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1314 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:06:35 PM
"If the majority of your unit is religious, you need to respect that. A couple minutes of bowing your head isn't going to hurt you."

The whole point of religious freedom is that you can believe what you like without having to conform to any other religion.


dragonshadoz
Female, 18-29, Canada
 16276 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:46:51 PM
So...bowing your head for 2 minutes is going to kill you.
And someone not bowing their head is going to kill you?

FreshMint
Male, 18-29, Europe
 181 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:44:32 PM
Except that Army isn't supposed to be religious by rules for the same concept: Unit before Individual.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1400 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:14:20 AM
We don't need to pose hypothetical situations here. We have specifics of this one.

Army is about killing things and destroying property. People who kill other people tend to have strict codes they adhere to; stricter than the general public.

Again, I'm an atheist (you seem to have missed that above) so I do not take religion seriously. I would bow my head for the same reason I would get a unit tattoo or say "oorah" or do any other silly thing that is traditional.

I'm an atheist, and I can wrap my head around this concept: unit before individual.


FreshMint
Male, 18-29, Europe
 181 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:48:57 AM
Baelzar, would you simulate any Mulsulman praying posture just to do like everybody else?

You probably wouldn't, so why are you asking others to simulute yours?

Army is about mutual respect, mutual support and collective objective achievement. You can do that wihtout any sort of belief.

Because you don't believe in God you don't deserve your army mates respect and support?


FreshMint
Male, 18-29, Europe
 181 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:44:47 AM
It is just not possible not to associate wars in Iraq with Holy war when you supposely fight 'mulsulmans' (only tiny fraction are extremists) and your President close every single speech with 'God bless America' and talk about the 'Evil'...

C'mon, everybody can make that link -and it's pretty obvious.


Benjaphar
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 105 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:07:19 AM
Yes, bow your head to my god or else! If it's the Christian god then you'll burn in hell for eternity. If it's Allah you won't bow to, then I'll just have to chop off your head. But please, whatever you do, don't make waves and upset the zealots by pointing out that their imaginary sky-daddy is neither real, nor worthy of bowing to.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1400 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:27:37 AM
So...bowing your head for 2 minutes is going to kill you.

Seriously. Bowing your head is going to make you believe in some god?

Bowing your head for a couple of minutes, to get along and keep the peace, is going to destroy your atheism?

Atheism, to me, means I DO NOT get offended at the small stuff like that. Let the religious people freak out. Not me.

Because that's what we're talking about here. This kid (an ex-Baptist, for crying out loud) wouldn't BOW HIS FRIGGIN' HEAD while others prayed.

This makes atheists look as bad as the born-agains. You have to go along to get along, ESPECIALLY in the military.


Benjaphar
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 105 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:21:42 AM
Baelzar,

So why is religion off limits? I can criticize your politics, your taste in movies or music, your scientific theories, your conspiracy theories, but for some reason I have to show respect for your superstitions? That's not the way it should be.


dragonshadoz
Female, 18-29, Canada
 16276 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:07:03 AM
If you'd be willing to respect their wishes, Baelzar, shouldn't they be willing to do the same? Just because they are in the majority, does not mean you have to go along with their beliefs.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1400 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:04:52 AM
People like this can give atheists a bad name.

I dislike outspoken atheists just as much as I dislike outspoken people of religion.

If the majority of your unit is religious, you need to respect that. A couple minutes of bowing your head isn't going to hurt you.

I'm an atheist, yet I wouldn't want to damage unit morale by being an as.shole about it.


gorgack2000
Male, 13-17, Europe
 4702 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:12:42 AM
Dulce et Decorum Est.

Trabenbass51
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 13 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:42:22 AM
...WOW...

i hate the army... and religion...


Ziminya
Female, 30-39, Europe
 1 Posts
Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:28:22 AM
I was in the army for over 10 years and had several atheists in my unit. They were never discriminated against or passed over for promotion. Sometimes commanders overstep their authority and push a personal agenda onto their troops. It's against DoD policy and can poison the working relationship of an entire unit. I don't know how much responsibility the Department of the Army should take in this, but SPC Hall's immediate command is definitely at fault for creating an intolerant atmosphere and allowing discriminatory behavior to continue.

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