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Texas Church Loses Fight to Change Name of Gay St.

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Overmann
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3156 Posts
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:11:30 PM
"I can answer that one, Overmann: freedom of will for humans. If some omnipotent being simply prevented anyone from ever doing anything immoral, it would certainly violate human free will."

What? Are you f*cking kidding me? "I'm God and despite my own righteous moral convictions, I'm going to enable these people, my dearest children, to beat the ever loving sh*t out of each other and rape each other's children because, me forbid, I don't want robots. I would have made robots if I wanted robots, medamnit." My point is that any moral deity who held morals such as we (who would have to at least have a smidgeon of our morals if people want to claim morality comes from God) would not go out of his way to instill free will. If he cared as much as people say he does, he'd ensure our safety from ourselves. And if he truly wanted people to have free will, why the f*ck give them his own brand of morality? So I ask again: are you f*cking kidding me?


Samural77
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 136 Posts
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:47:00 PM
Well that's just Gay!

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11644 Posts
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:01:36 PM
"If a god possessed the same morals as we, why is there evil? And if a god did not possess the same morals as we, why would he give us different morals? Not that I expect you have the right answer, it's just a healthy question to ask."

I can answer that one, Overmann: freedom of will for humans. If some omnipotent being simply prevented anyone from ever doing anything immoral, it would certainly violate human free will.

If I believed in the "God is Good" school of Christianity, I'd feel sorry for god. It would be seriously bad to be all good, to be all knowing, to be all powerful...and have to just watch all the crap in the world.

But I don't, so it's OK. Besides, there is plenty of "God is a fickle despot who demands utter obedience and kills on a whim" in the Christian bible too.

But I don't believe in that version either.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11644 Posts
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:51:23 PM
"Angilion, you are missing the point. All scripture. ALL. A-L-L. Therefore, regardless of how they seem to conflict, the modern English is still the ineffable and irrefutable Word of God. ALL means ALL."

Lionhart2, it is you who is missing the point. Unless you really do mean that anything written down and passed off as a translation of scripture is itself scripture, even when it's a mistranslation mixed in with some changes that the people making it wanted to add.

If that's the case, we can solve the problem by making up a version of the Christian bible that says homosex is just fine, no worries, and then that would be the Word of God, right?


Overmann
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3156 Posts
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:38:44 PM
I did not say that God had to limit himself to any sort of logic, horn4231. About logic, I only said that I feel it's a lot more satisfactory to believe any achievements in logic we've made as a species are to our own credit and not to a god's, in which case we'd have to believe a god intentionally dumbed us down.

On the subject of *morals*, however, I suggested God does not share our sense of morality because he instilled evil when we as a people see it as wrong. How could our morals possibly have come from a deity when we can't but question why any good being would willfully allow such evil to take place?

On that note, I can see how these discussions would be frustrating for you when you constantly misunderstand what I write.


horn4231
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 87 Posts
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:40:35 PM
Overmann - i've tried having this discussion with you before, and it is a little frustrating for a number of reasons, but here we go again.

but, don't you believe that if God had to limit himself to human logic, and that we absolutely understood everything about Him and His decisions, wouldn't that make him....not God?


Overmann
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3156 Posts
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:14:39 AM
"which amounts to so much. Does human respect really at all determine the power of God? No."

I don't appreciate your sarcasm on this issue. Human respect is all any of us have to go by down here, here where your vacant claims of immortal divine love have no meaning. If there was no such thing as respect or reciprocal altruism, this world would be a much more grim, unpleasant place.

"What I always love seeing is humans attempting to explain away an immortal being through shoddy mortal logic."

What I love seeing is how quick some people are to belittle human thought. Not that logic is infallible, but relishing what faculties of thought we do have is a lot more enjoyable than assuming God intentionally dumbed us down.

If a god possessed the same morals as we, why is there evil? And if a god did not possess the same morals as we, why would he give us different morals? Not that I expect you have the right answer, it's just a healthy question to ask.


Overmann
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3156 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 11:31:55 PM
Lionhart2, your article is skirting the issue. Regardless what God wants his human playthings to be and feel for him, if any god was moral and just as we see it, there would be no evil. Period. If any god wanted to look out for us people, there wouldn't be murder, rape, grief, suffering, agony, or pain. One slightly more subtle problem of evil is that any god that permits evil is not moral by our own standards, which implies that our morals did not come from such a being.

And it seems to me that if a god wanted people to feel genuine love for him, the best way to demonstrate this would be to... wait for it... give them a reason to. I'm not convinced a god that desires my affection would create such a world as we live in. If he desired my affection, he would remove any potential risk of cancer and do his best to let me know this.

The Problem of Evil is not a problem so much as it is a stumbling block for those who make it one.


horn4231
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 87 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 11:19:41 PM
"What I always love seeing is humans attempting to explain away an immortal being through shoddy mortal logic. Kinda gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. But not really."

I know exactly what you mean. kudos to you for defending your beliefs.

it is incredibly frustrating to watch people bash christianity when they lack the tools to examine their own beliefs.


theguy91
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 218 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 10:44:56 PM
"repect of humans"
which amounts to so much. Does human respect really at all determine the power of God? No.

"You pick out some contradictory passages in that mess of a conflicted mistake ridden book of yours. There are other passages that refute your quotes outright."
Then by all means, let's see them!

"If your god is evil, he is not worth serving."
Then I suppose it is perfectly worthwhile to serve Him then.

What I always love seeing is humans attempting to explain away an immortal being through shoddy mortal logic. Kinda gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. But not really.


QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 10:28:32 PM


QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 10:19:51 PM
Big deal. You pick out some contradictory passages in that mess of a conflicted mistake ridden book of yours. There are other passages that refute your quotes outright. You can't make head or tails of it. No coherent dogma at all.

If your god is evil, he is not worth serving. He would be no better than your satan.
I repeat:
IS SOMETHING HOLY B/C OF INHERENT GOODNESS, OR DOES THAT JUST MEAN GOD DOES WHATEVER HE PLEASES? IF GOD TOLD YOU TO MURDER YOUR WHOLE FAMILY B/C IT WAS "HOLY" WOULD YOU DO IT?

If your god does not operate from a position of goodness than there is no reason to pay heed to his BS. He is not Just.

Remember " a failure to love is evil..."


Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 7:45:14 PM
I suspect you know absolutely nothing about 'traditional theology' then...

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7)

"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6)

"Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?" (Lamentations 3:38)

I suggest you read "Why did God create evil?"


QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 6:33:34 PM
You have the IQ of a potato.
NO. Wait.

That would be an insult to Potatoes.


QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 6:32:20 PM
You cannot have a relationship with a being that is a complete OTHER. If such a being is psychotic, murderous, plays w/ his creatures like an demented puppeteer, that being is no god at all and not worth of the repect of humans, let alone worship.

According to traditiional theology, god could not have created evil b/c he is ALL GOOD. Evil required the creation of a being like satan, simply b/c god could not have created evil. In that scenario, satan's disobediance is evil.


Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 6:25:17 PM
"generally an all good, all powerful, all knowing being does not dabble in evil"

Pity you didn't bother reading the post before rebutting it. Neither God nor Jesus has ever claimed to be all good. His laws are for Him to decide, His justice is by His own standard not ours. God DID create evil as well, because He created everything.

I refer you to Malachi 1:3, where God Himself says "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated". Esau was cursed throughout in every regard, and Jacob had the life of Reilly. Why? For no other reason than God decided it was to be so.


Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 6:21:41 PM
"The Jews have a special name for this kind of person, a chasid shote or Pious Fool."

I call him the only devout and holy man in the story. God is all-powerful, all-knowing, all-present Creator of Everything. Absolute obedience is called for to such a Being. Anything less is second-guessing Someone who is so far above you that you are nothing to Him. How many of you would create an adventure game then refuse to "kill" the inhabitants because they had rights? It's absurd to even contemplate it. God is the Creator, His commands are to be obeyed for that reason, no matter how human mentality interprets them.


QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 4:23:48 PM
I will tell you my favorite Midrash. (Jewish teaching story)
Once upon a time there was a very holy upright Rabbai. Every day he studied the Torah and followed the decreees and proscriptions to a T. He memorized the commandments so that they were written on his mind and his heart. One day this very Rabbai saw a woman flailing in a stream calling out for help. He sat there and let her drown. Why? He was afraid of breaking the taboo on touching impure women and didn't take the chance. The Jews have a special name for this kind of person, a chasid shote or
Pious Fool.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 4:17:51 PM
No.
generally an all good, all powerful, all knowing being does not dabble in evil. Period. If you think that is the true divine nature you need to go evolve some more. 30,0000 yrs more.

I refer you to Plato's discussion w/ Euthyphro on the subject of holiness. Is something holy b/c it is by it's very nature holy, or is it holy b/c god says it's so? If the latter does that mean the same as saying god does whatever he wants. In other words, if god told you to murder your whole family b/c it was "holy", would you do it. Troglodyte


Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 4:14:26 PM
And if you REALLY want to throw the cat amongst the pigeons, slip the Hebrew altogether and go back to the Greek... that "For God so loved the world" verse uses MONDOS, which means "all of you" not "everyone", so what the infamous John 3:16 really says is "God loved all YOU CHRISTIANS so much that He sent His only Son to save you". The rest of the world goes to Hell, period.

Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 4:07:20 PM



There are none so blind as they who *will not* see...

Angilion, you are missing the point. All scripture. ALL. A-L-L. Therefore, regardless of how they seem to conflict, the modern English is still the ineffable and irrefutable Word of God. ALL means ALL.

And to all the people whose arguments go something along the lines of "Christianity is all about loving everyone"... taurus excreta! God ordered the Jews to commit genocide throughout the Old Testament, because THEY were His Chosen People. Christ said "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword". When he added an 11th Commandment, to "love one another as I have loved you" He was speaking to His disciples and Believers, not to the world at large. The oh-so-famous John 3:16 "For God so loved the world..." verse is spouted endlessly by modern social-club feelgood churches, but read the next few verses for once! Loves everyone? Everyone will go to Heaven? God can never hate?


smnrg7
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 15 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 2:37:29 PM
i think that the whole Catholic Protestant thing is more the Catholics believe in an all forgiving and loving god and they follow the whole love the sinner hate the sin thing on paper... where as the protestant churches believe when you sin you have to repent for it instead of rambling out a hail mary... Yay for having parents who forced their views

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11644 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 12:09:15 PM
Christian: No-one has been able to give a scriptural reason for Christianity to prohibit homosex. Definitely not between women, probably not between men. So we can go to the core of Christianity - what did Jesus say and do? About homosexuality...nothing. It appears that Jesus the Christ wasn't bothered about it, so why should any Christian be?

Moral: I think this boils down to a question: Where's the victim? I don't see one, so I don't see a moral problem. There are victims in some homosexual contexts, but that's no different to the same heterosexual contexts. It isn't homosexuality that's the problem, obviously. It's rape, domestic violence, etc, which is neither hetero, homo or bi.

Practical: Many people have been having homosex at least as far back as the beginning of recorded history and no doubt before then. Humanity still thrives, so obviously minority homosex isn't a problem in an evolutionary sense.

So...where's the problem, really?


Mweebles
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1662 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 11:59:23 AM
Haha...I saw this on tv.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11644 Posts
Monday, August 11, 2008 11:52:24 AM
@ohthedrama
"The Catholic Church does, the protestant churches do not."

Odd...I can find things saying the opposite. The Catholic church can't really be said to coexist peacefully with homosexuals - it regards their sexuality as profoundly sinful and requires them to utterly repress it.

Church of England is probably the most compatible denomination, though it's currently in conflict with itself and might split over the issue.


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