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Handguns : Disarming Britain

Hits: 6991 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Arts & Literature | Added by: fancylad
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outdoorMINER
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 939 Posts
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 2:50:43 PM
oy vey

Genocyde
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 711 Posts
Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:28:11 PM
There were over 9,000 gun offenses in the UK last year? I thought all that anti-gun stuff was supposed to stop criminals. What happened?

sup_dawg444
Male, 18-29, Western US
 210 Posts
Friday, January 02, 2009 12:24:17 AM
tna
From reading your comment, among many other comments from various Europeans, I have determined that most, if not all, Europeans have massive ego problems and are in denial from the rapidly approaching fact that Europe is steadily degrading and the economy is beginning to fall even faster than America's, so rather than doing something about it they perpetuate it by either blaming it on America or just insulting all Americans.
You know something, tna? I probably know more about Europe than you do.

tna
Male, 13-17, Europe
 29 Posts
Monday, July 21, 2008 11:12:54 AM
from reading this i havve come to a simple and easy conclusion americans are idiots!

onlocash
Male, 30-39, Western US
 22 Posts
Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:33:50 AM
Violence: Think about it. The guns was a means just like a knife a bat a vehicle.The gun is convenience
Take them away and It doesn't change much does it..

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1379 Posts
Friday, July 18, 2008 4:37:20 PM
I'm trying to explain that your little argument is irrelevant. The entire argument. You are caught up in minutiae, and I don't care to deal with small change. I've told you what you need to know about it.

Now please, continue your gripping argument defending the royal family. That's about your level.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Friday, July 18, 2008 4:26:56 PM
Oh, and the civil list doesn't go to the queen. It refers to the entire cost of the whole monarchy, including paying the wages of the people who work for them (e.g. gardeners, secretaries, etc) as well as travel costs, the cost of visits by foreign diplomats, heads of state, etc. The whole thing. For less than the price of a hamburger. It's a bargain.

So...the monarchy costs buttons, it makes a huge profit for the country, it provides many jobs and most of the expenses would still exist even if we deposed the monarchy. Somebody would have to do all the diplomatic stuff the royals do, and that would still cost the same. It's not like it's a good idea to take an important foreign diplomat, let alone the head of state of another country, to McDonalds for a "happy meal" and slip them £50 to stay in a cheap hotel.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Friday, July 18, 2008 4:17:43 PM
McGovern1981: 66 pounds would be £66. 66p is 66 pence. 100 pence to the pound, like you use 100 cents to the dollar. So about US$1.32 in your money.

Here in the UK, if I buy one hamburger from McDonalds, that's one basic small hamburger, I've spent more than I spend on the entire civil list in a year (66p civil list, 69p hamburger).


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Friday, July 18, 2008 4:11:49 PM
I've read the thread, Baelzar. I suggest you do, too, as your ignorance about it has led you to make a fool of yourself.

The line of argument I referred to started as early as the 4th post and is by far the most common line of argument put forward in favour of everyone, or at least most people, carrying guns.

Your line of argument is irrelevant to it.

You appear to be confusing yourself with this thread. Are you really that egotistical?


Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1379 Posts
Friday, July 18, 2008 11:43:02 AM
If some thug got the drop on me, then yep, I'd likely be dead. Naturally, that assumes I'm blind, deaf, in the wrong neighborhood at 3am, etc. But it's your stupid scenario.

Of course, if some thug with a knife, or a pipe, or who's simply bigger and meaner than you decides to rob _you_, you won't have a chance. Further, he KNOWS you don't have a gun, so he's more likely to assault you in the first place.

Your government has left you defenseless against criminals. It's a criminal's dream come true.


almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Friday, July 18, 2008 9:20:31 AM
Baelzar, let me ask you this: threatening someone with a gun is still illegal in America, yes?

So if you get into a fight with someone, you wouldn't draw your gun, would you, because you're a law-abiding citizen.

But if you get into a fight with a criminal, they will draw their gun, because they aren't a law-abiding citizen.

So after they draw their gun, you wouldn't go for yours, would you? Because as we all know, whoever gets their gun out first is in charge.

So tell me, how would having a gun help you defend yourself in that situation? You would still lose your wallet, phone, keys etc plus the criminal would get another free gun as well. Now they're even more heavily armed, making their next crime even easier to carry out.

So where in that scenario does you being armed help in any way?


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Friday, July 18, 2008 5:26:43 AM
*yes I probably mistyped something

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Friday, July 18, 2008 5:25:14 AM
66p I take it you mean pound which is to us 132.13 thats a fair amount going to her and the faimly and I assure you we dont care about her we want to see the what the palace looks like. As for Harry potter I mean the boy who insulted me who has a resembalance to him. I'm also curious yes we do have a higher rate of violence but how many street gangs are in the UK I could fill this page with ones in the US and they dont get guns legally. Finally to those of you saying the 2nd amendment is dated it's not and never will be it's intention is to give citizens power to defend this country and to overthrow the government if it takes away our freedom which is why we started that little thing called the Revolutionary war.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1379 Posts
Friday, July 18, 2008 3:15:58 AM
Actually Agnilion, it is you who is confused.

This isn't about whether there's more violence here, inherently or otherwise. There is.

This isn't about whether more guns means more gun violence. It does.

This is about whether we're willing to lay down arms, to be completely at the mercy of our government or any thug with a machete, in order to gain some temporary safety.

We are not. And frankly, we don't care if you don't like it.

You, and Canada, and Australia, have plenty of problems in your own countries, and it's only going to get worse. Soon.

You might want to pay attention to your own problems.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:35:33 PM
I notice that none of the pro-gun people even attempted to counter my post asking why they thought the USA was inherently many times more violent than the UK.

How many more times, do you think? 20 times? 50 times?

Because you *do* think that it is vastly more than 3 times more inherently violent. If you don't realise that, you don't even understand your own argument. Which I can believe is the case.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:29:05 PM
McGovern1981: People come to see places such as Buckingham Palace because "the queen lives there". Far fewer would come to see places such as Buckingham Palace because "It looks nice". There is a lot of specifically royalty-related tourism. The queen also serves a quietly useful political purpose. She's very good value for money, as well as being an important part of our heritage that would well worth 66p per year even if she didn't turn a profit (which she does).

We pay more for other people to do less. That's politics.

What about "Harry potter"?


headbanger80
Male, 13-17, Western US
 471 Posts
Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:17:02 PM
i think everybody should cary guns so u can blast the sh-1ts outta the dude tryin 2 kill u

itsmyisliand
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 12 Posts
Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:00:29 PM
its disgusting how some people are viewing this
its not the black population thats causing it
it wasnt intended to be
it was made to show gun violience and related crimes, no matter what race

splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:17:03 PM
Oh and Almighty... you are just plain stupid... congratulations on that.

In South Dakota it is legal for College students to carry concealed firearms into the classroom. How many school shootings have their been in that State? It's not enough to just have a gun.. it comes with responsibility. There are numerous (and what should be mandatory) courses people can take to make them proficient in gun ownership and use. Trust me... if Verginia Tech happened in a South Dakota classroom, tragically one maybe two would have been killed, but that's about it.

Somewhere along the way your small brain seems to think that by making firearms illegal to own that criminals won't be able to get them. Well, answer me this tool... if narcotics are illegal and you have them... what does that make you? A CRIMINAL? DING!!! CORRECT! And how many people do narcotics??

Get your head out of your rear!


splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:10:52 PM
SO, take away hand-guns and the homicides from stab wounds raise?? Interesting... I'll tell you what idiots... All we need to do is give everyone labotomy's and chop off their hands and feet. Then I bet the murder rate will really go down.

Or!!!! You asshats over there can realize that people will kill each other no matter what, but if you are intrinsically good and wish to learn to defend yourself with the same tools your would-be murcerer has... then you should be able to do it with a f-ucking gun.

I was the only white boy living off Esplanade in New Orleans for about a year... I had a gun IN MY HAND when I was outside (which is legal) nobody looked at me twice. I have never been shot at in the U.S. because people know I have the means to shoot back. Simple as that... just f-ing simple.


yen223
Male, 18-29, Asia
 343 Posts
Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:58:29 PM
Countries with less guns have less gun-related casualties.

It's so blindingly obvious I don't even know why it's still being debated.


Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1379 Posts
Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:31:45 PM
"Now try imagining a world where only the police can have guns."

There is no such world. You assume that everybody obeys the law.


almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:26:36 PM
Consider Virginia Tech: If Cho had not been able to legally buy two handguns, would he have been able to carry out his attack? No. Would he have had the knowledge, the resources and the determination to acquire two handguns illegally on the black market? No.

Would the two perpetrators of the Columbine school massacres have been able to buy the weapons from their friends if they weren't readily available? No. Would they have bothered with the black market approach? No.

In these cases they would probably have resorted to melee weapons like knives, which of course would have resulted in far fewer fatalities.

Guns make killing people too easy.


almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:17:03 PM
That's nice. Now try imagining a world where only the police can have guns. Much better.

Proliferation of guns leads to desensitisation (see the earlier comment about there being something wrong if you DON'T hear gunshots at night in LA).

Desensitisation leads to the sort of situation illustrated in the clip, where people don't think twice about drawing a weapon in the middle of any argument, such as the bike scenario.

If the biker had had a gun as well, both parties would probably have ended up being shot.


Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1379 Posts
Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:06:12 PM
Let's imagine a world without guns.

It isn't a very nice place.


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