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Cemetary of Innocents Conflict

Hits: 6385 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: eugenius
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xiquiripat
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2419 Posts
Saturday, June 28, 2008 6:24:17 PM
I think that we should stop pregnancy in our own country and just import children from the third world. They make everything else for us...

beersapper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 5 Posts
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:56:02 AM
Well, this footage happened at my university, in Stevens Point WI. Despite the seeminly political undertones, the real 'issue' was use of school property. The student depicted, was, if I remember correctly, a student senator and the use of this area for this display (as the particular land was used for such displays) was not cleared through the student body. Clearly, the student was falling back on his personal upset over the implications this display caused. Now, I may not have my facts 100% on this, but its as I recalled reading about it in the paper.

Arthur99
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3 Posts
Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:39:03 PM
I'm with Mur on this one. I think that's a legitimate and simple way to lower the number of abortions in America. You should really write a letter to your state and share your ideas. I'm sure people would like to hear your opinion, and you might be suprised at how many people would agree with you on the issue. Who knows, they might take your ideas on abortion laws into consideration!

Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:32:17 PM
for those reasons, they wouldn't view it as an easy way out of a tough situation. Because abortion would not be available to them, I believe it would cut down on the number of pregnant teens in the first place.

Also, even though I don't pay taxes yet, when I do, I do not want my money going towards something I don't support. If they gave my taxes to orphanages and to kids who are loved and alive, it would be fine. But instead, they give tax dollars to abortion clinics, to dead babies and irresponsible (most of the time) mothers, even though the majority (57%) of American's are pro-life. I think the states need to hold a vote on this issue, then make a decision regarding abortion laws. After that, I believe that all abortions should be handled at the state level until further decisions are made by our countries leaders and law-makers. Then, they can decide if the law would become national based on the number of pro-life states.


Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:23:22 PM
I also believe strict guidelines should be placed. However, I believe that we need to start slowly making laws that would decrease the number of abortions. The first one has already been made (Partial-Birth Abortion Act). I think the second one should be that everyone can have one abortion in their lifetime (unless it's for medical reasons). If everyone was only allowed one abortion, it would decrease the number of abortion deaths greatly. The third law should be that you can only abort if the baby is 8 weeks maximum. 2 1/2 months maximum is very late in my opinion (even though abortion is allowed up until the 2nd trimester). Most women who abort at that time only do it because the father left or threatened them. The last law should be that abortions are completely illegal unless the mother has a medical condition. I say this because most of the women having abortions are teenagers who think "It's no big deal, I'll just have an abortion". If abortion was not available to them

Shellie84
Female, 18-29, Australia
 4196 Posts
Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:21:53 AM
And to cut down on costs (didn't know how expensive it was) people should pay up front. Say it cost $300 to do such a thing, woman should pay up front and then go in that day, or whenever they can be booked in. If you can't cough up the cash, you don't get it done, therefore you aren't costing the taxpayers money.

Although I do know that America pays their workers peanuts, so that needs to be sorted out first.

Here's for a raise! lol


Shellie84
Female, 18-29, Australia
 4196 Posts
Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:19:55 AM
I think strict guidlines should be placed (some of these are I think) Only up to a certain period of time (say...2 1/2 months max) a certain amopunt of times someone is allowed an abortion (say twice, unless in extreme cases, for example, with a polie report or ruled by judge) stuff like that.

I still think the woman should have the right to choose. If I fell pregnant tomorrow I would abort as I have 3 month old twins and a 7 year old and I personally cannot handle another baby (aside from other reasons) But to prevent being in that situation in the first place I will take every precaution I can to NOT fall pregnant


Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 7:01:12 PM
Also, I kind of understand what you are saying. Abortion, in my eyes, is murder no matter what. But if a woman has only a slight chance of survival, she should be able to choose BEFORE 8 weeks pregnancy. You see, if she was forced to carry a baby that endangered her health and she died, that would be murder, too.
I believe a medical risk to the woman is the only way that she should be able to choose. And if there is a medical risk to her health, she should choose before 8 weeks. For those who have a medical risk, abortions should be available in SAFE places. But abortions should be very rare, and those are the only circumstances that they should be performed.

Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 6:54:59 PM
Shellie,
I don't think the point of those crosses were to make women who have had abortions feel guilty. It was more to raise awareness about abortion and prevent people from having abortions and making a decision they might likely regret. If a woman was walking to an abortion clinic, and saw those crosses, she might change her mind.
Also, adoption can cost upward of %15,000 in America, which is probably why people don't adopt. If the government made it easier and less expensive, orphaned babies would have a home to go to.
Also, China is a communist country. Their population is so high, that couples are only allowed to have 1 child. If they have more than one (even accidentally) the government forces them out of the country, makes them pay a fine, or forces them to have abortions. That's probably why their orphanages are like that. It's sad, but there's not much to do about it. We should focus on eliminating abortion in America first.

Shellie84
Female, 18-29, Australia
 4196 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:32:51 PM
health risk abortions are still "murder" in my eyes just as much as rape or choice. - by that I meant people who are pro-life should be against abortion of any kind, some mothers are told it could kill them, but you hear stories where they have survived. So isn't that a small enough chance that the baby and mother could live, so therefore you shouldn't be aborting... did that make sense? lol

If any side I'm really on, it's with londoncallme (I think her name was) and that's pro education


Shellie84
Female, 18-29, Australia
 4196 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:28:38 PM
I'm not debating cause I suck at it. I'm saying I think women should have the choice without being made to feel like poo about it and have it thrown in their faces like all those crosses.

health risk abortions are still "murder" in my eyes just as much as rape or choice. I agree that women who constantly have numerous abortions because they don't want a child are really just stupid (because they are abusing a system made for woman who see no other way out) Adoption works to an extent, but the back up and red tape would make an overload of unwanted children in the world. Too many kids and not enough homes to go to. Look at Chinese ...umm what are they called...? adoption home thingys. They have actual death rooms in them so the babies only end up dying anyway, albiet more painfully then if those woman had a chance(or choice) to abort in the first place


Arthur99
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 3:47:20 PM
You cannot disagree that Mur has some very valid points. If you want to win this debate, you must say something that cannot be argued against. She has proved and backed up everything she has said so far, yet you pro-choice people have not. And the things you do say to try to make a point are invalid and can be argued against. Good job Mur! I can tell you have done your research. You're a very smart girl for your age. No matter what anyone says, you can still be intelligent at a young age. Most teenagers don't even have the guts to stand up for what they believe in. Kudos to you! Keep it up!

Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:36:47 PM
Okay, over it now? Fine. Good. NEXT!

Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:33:39 PM
Shellie: I'm not forcing my views on you. Yes, I'm trying to tell you my opinion. I'm trying to show you why abortion is wrong. I'm not holding you down and telling you to admitt you're wrong. However, many women are FORCED to get abortions every year. Their boyfriend's threaten them and even their lives. Now THAT is forcing you opinions and beliefs on someone. Another reason abortion should be illegal for those who don't really need one.

Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:30:00 PM
"Enjoy and embrace the freedoms your sisters spent generations securing for you."

Sisters? Try brothers. You do realize that abortion was made legal by men, don't you? In 1973, there were very few women involved in politics.


Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:27:45 PM
"And by 'think' I mean having overheard something someone said that sounded cool and informed enough that when repeated - especially by someone so young - would surely make you appear '...a mature and level-headed person for [your] age...'"

First off, I base my opinions on what I and only I believe is right. I don't care what others think. I've done my research on the subject, and choosen the side that has a clear viewpoint, MANY clear reasons, and can defend their stance. I choose my opinions and my words wisely, and you have yet to be able to offer me a clear reason on why you believe abortion is okay, though I've offered you many reasons why it's not.


Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:23:05 PM
"If it's a risk to the mothers health it should still be murder to you. If she was raped it should still be murder to you."
If the circumstance is rape, yes it's still murder and I disagree with it.

If it's a health risk, usually the baby and/or the mother dies. In this case, it would be murder to force a mother to carry a child that would kill her, especially if the child had no chance of survival itself. She the difference?


Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:19:31 PM
actiongirl: Yes, it's immature for you to create a profile on IAB just so you can argue with me, especially if you're 30-39. I read your posts. You only have 13. And they're all in this forum. I can put 2 and 2 together.

Vindicate: Why do you keep comparing humans to animals? Don't you agree that we are much more supreme, civilized, and intelligent? If not, can I eat you? Cannibalism is part of the animal world.


Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:13:44 PM
It's not religous. There are atheists who are pro-life.

actiongirl: I'm winning by proving points. You're losing by saying stupid poo about Hannah Montanna. Prove to me why abortion should remain legal, and I'll tell you why it shouldn't be legal in the first place. Oh, that's right...the only arguement you have is "It's the mother's body". I can counteragrue that with "It's the baby's body".

"I don't have to reason, argue, or defend that."
Then if I go and murder someone just for the sake of it, I don't have to reason, argue, or defend that? Just because you say something is okay, doesn't mean it is. You should realize that.

And you have yet to deny that you're racist. And you have yet to argue against the point I made.

Vindicate: That's nature. If the baby is born and dies...then so be it.
If you purposely kill the baby because you don't want it, it's murder.


Vindicate
Female, 18-29, Western US
 541 Posts
Friday, May 09, 2008 1:10:29 PM
primetimekin - Sure, kill the homeless, the mentally disabled, superobese, any people being kept alive by machines, etc, etc. Then you can have all the babies you want since natural selection will be back into play - meaning anyone that is subpar for survival status would be dying off so we'd NEED the super high birth rates to counteract the super high death rates. It's no more cruel than the rest of the animal world.

For most species, if there's a baby animal born that won't survive, it's left to die. If it's too small, too sickly, or otherwise lacking, the mother realizes there's no point in trying to keep it alive, so leaves it to die and focuses on next year's procreation.

IF YOU DON'T WANT AN ABORTION, DON'T BLOODY HAVE ONE. But get YOUR religious views out of MY life. And bloody well don't make LAWS based off the bible. That's my bottom line.


Shellie84
Female, 18-29, Australia
 4196 Posts
Friday, May 09, 2008 5:13:39 AM
oh yeah, reading past posts... those people who say "abortion bad!" but in the same sentence say "but it's an exeption if it's a health risk or rape or whatever..." seriously guys. You say it's murder, but it's ok under certain circumstances. It doesn't change that fact it's still murder in your eyes. Either go the whole hog or son't go there at all. If it's a risk to the mothers health it should still be murder to you. If she was raped it should still be murder to you.

I mean, you guys don't usually really care about the mother right, so what does it matter?


Shellie84
Female, 18-29, Australia
 4196 Posts
Friday, May 09, 2008 4:47:39 AM
yeah mur - seriously, it's been like 2 days and your still going on about it. virtually taking up every page to yourself. Have your opinion, fine, but DO NOT force your views onto other people. I WILL support to mother. You CANNOT force me to do otherwise. Your not forcing me? Read back the last 10 pages mate.

OK< over it now? fine. Good. NEXT!


actiongirl
Female, 30-39, Southern US
 13 Posts
Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:44:37 PM
Its immature to be on IAB? Again with the 'owning'? I think you actually have to win this argument before you can claim to 'own' anything.

"Owning" used to actually mean something online, but it has been diluted so much by static like yours that it sounds kind of babyish now to claim it.


actiongirl
Female, 30-39, Southern US
 13 Posts
Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:40:20 PM
Oh, because you said slap across the face...don't mince your words. 2 posts from now you'll be backtracking on just calling me a racist.

Epic fail? ummm...no. Abortions are legal. I don't have to reason, argue, or defend that. Not only is it legal, it probably always will be legal. Some woman's probably having one right now. You're the one getting all huffy over it and all I want is to point out that all the teenager hormone-hazed arguing isn't going to change that. Enjoy and embrace the freedoms your sisters spent generations securing for you. If you don't want to use them, if you never HAVE to...great! Then just don't pee in someone else's cereal because you "think" abortion is wrong. And by "think" I mean having overheard something someone said that sounded cool and informed enough that when repeated - especially by someone so young - would surely make you appear "...a mature and level-headed person for [your] age..."

Its immature to be o


Mur-is-bored
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 274 Posts
Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:24:59 PM
Oops, I just realized your the same old woman I owned earlier today.

"Also, all these prolifers should pony up enough cash to support these would-be babies or pipe down."

Well, with all the money that is spent on abortions every year, we would have enough money to support these real-live babies. Or how about adoption? Adoption agencies will pay for a child's needs.


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