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 vivisgreat
Female, 13-17, Southern US
 4 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:43:07 PM
Personally, the flag to me is a symbol. It represents the idea of freedom. The freedom to burn the flag, let it touch the ground, and express your own thoughts |
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 LissieRae06
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
24 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:37:17 PM
Oh, and, if it matters to anyone, which I'm sure it doesn't... Those weren't real flags. They were made of duct tape.But since it's about the symbolism of the flag that everyones uptight about, I'm sure that doesn't matter. |
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LissieRae06
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
24 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:35:10 PM
Umaine @ Farmington is my school, and I got to say, I thought it was awesome. That's the main hall of the school, everyone goes through there... And before that veteran came in, I didn't see a person walk on the flag. Everyone skirted around it. Not necessarily because we're all flag-loving, right-wing rednecks, but because you just don't step on someones project. I'm all for flag desecration, if your trying to prove a point, or if you have a message. But even I didn't walk on the flags. There was no blatant standing on or walking on the flag until a fuss started being made about it. Once someone started bitching, everyone started trying to make a stand one way or another.It's not the first shocking project to go up this semester. There's been an outbreak of "offensive" postings and art projects lately, and this is just one of them, meant to enrage and make people think. I say good for her, good for the veteran, and good for the school system for sticking up for the studen |
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 jjcruiser13
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
711 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:18:34 PM
"Saying a US Flag is /just/ a piece of cloth is like saying the Three Musicians is /just/ a piece of canvas."
No, because the painting is a one of kind piece that you can't recreate (unless it's a copy and not the origional) so that's not really true. The flag is made by the hundreds and they're all copies. The first flag ever sewn would be just as valuable as that painting, though. But no one cares if a copy of a famous painting is destroyed.
I just don't see how stepping on the flag is equal to hating america or the troops. I suppose if someone destroyed a flag with the intetnion of disgracing america, then that'd be different. |
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jjcruiser13
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
711 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:09:34 PM
"Personally if u desecrate, burn, or do anything to deface this country, then get the drat out of this country u don't have to live here and if u hate this country that much u don't deserve to live here"So, you're free in this country except for the freedom to NOT love the country? I think America is good but we're not perfect and no other country is. I rip up plastic flags that I find in my yard so I guess I don't deserve to live here according to you. But I won't leave because I don't look to you to tell me who deserves to be here or not so the country will just have to deal with my ass for a while. "There were times when soldiers were tortured in times of war by being put into a small room. They didn't have locked doors, the flag was laying outside the door on the floor, because the enemy knew they wouldn't step on their flag in order to get away." I'm not sure if I believe that. |
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 trentoneli
Male, 18-29, Western US
326 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:34:34 PM
on the whole desecration of the flag debate, i think what it really boils down to is; are you more in love with your symbols of freedom, or your actual freedom? it's like the song 'merican by the descendents "i'm proud and ashamed every fourth of july.
you got to know the truth before you say that you got pride." |
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 catbarf
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1314 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:14:31 PM
"What a disgrace. I don't care about the message behind this piece of 'artwork' How dare the artist lay a flag on the ground, and other people walk on it, even just the corner. I would love to shake the hand of this veteran and the people who stood by him, like the student at this university who shook his hand."Mkay. Why is a flag so important to you? And how is desecrating a piece of fiber and dye somehow worse than rallying or rioting? "There were times when soldiers were tortured in times of war by being put into a small room. They didn't have locked doors, the flag was laying outside the door on the floor, because the enemy knew they wouldn't step on their flag in order to get away." So, it's better for a soldier to rot in a POW camp than to walk on a flag. Absolutely stupid. By the way, you are aware that most American flags are made in China? Ooh, they must be unclean. It's not a true American flag unless you've got GI Joe defecating apple pies and |
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 d_chaos
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
3 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:10:19 PM
What a disgrace. I don't care about the message behind this piece of 'artwork' How dare the artist lay a flag on the ground, and other people walk on it, even just the corner. I would love to shake the hand of this veteran and the people who stood by him, like the student at this university who shook his hand.There were times when soldiers were tortured in times of war by being put into a small room. They didn't have locked doors, the flag was laying outside the door on the floor, because the enemy knew they wouldn't step on their flag in order to get away. I can't say this enough, this is a huge disgrace. |
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catbarf
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1314 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:46:41 PM
This American jingoism is just ridiculous. They have as much right to protest your flag as you do to defend it. And at the end of the day, a flag is a flag is a flag. Surely you wouldn't violently harass someone at a rally? If the core principle is to simply show opposition, then it matters little what method they use. |
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catbarf
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1314 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:45:00 PM
""It's a symbol of our freedom," he said. Freedom to do what? We're free to NOT disrespect the flag, we're free to NOT disagree with government officials. This guy has skewed views to say the least. Patriotism is one thing, borderline senility is another."Yes, I'm sure China is a free country because you're FREE to follow the government blindly. Please. OMFG! They're disrespecting a piece of plant fiber with three different colors in funny patterns! How dare they! |
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 PianoMan21
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
317 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:48:53 PM
Man, I wish I could be called an artist when I piss people off.
I guess I'm not enough of a pain in the ass. |
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 bomb_tom
Male, 18-29, Canada
438 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:48:47 PM
why are ppl walking around those flags? i would step right on them  |
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 woomanfoo
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
539 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:57:31 AM
Everyone knows that liberals aren't capable of showing respect. It was unfair for the completely hypocritical vet to assume such a thing."It's a symbol of our freedom," he said. Freedom to do what? We're free to NOT disrespect the flag, we're free to NOT disagree with government officials. This guy has skewed views to say the least. Patriotism is one thing, borderline senility is another. |
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 lightbluenym
Female, 18-29, Southern US
284 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:30:48 AM
Ok, I get the whole "this is art" thing, but my question is why they flaunt it at Veterans. Is there any reason to invite people in the service, who are obviously going to get upset at it? You can find mixed opinion on campus, leave them out of it... |
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 itsdanielle
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
31 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:29:03 AM
It IS a disgrace not only to the veterans and soldiers, but to anyone who appreciates this country and the freedoms we have here. If you don't like America, fine, leave. No one really cares. But don't throw the symbol of our country, to which many lives have been lost, on the floor and have people walk on it. Absolutely ridiculous. |
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itsdanielle
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
31 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:23:09 AM
I think the way that man was treated was ridiculous. He's a veteran, he fought for our right to freedom, and the flag is a symbol of that freedom. I know all of you think it's stupid to make such a big deal out of a symbol, but I'm sure it means much more than that to him. None of us know what he went through in fighting to protect it, and I think that it was very disrespectful of the student, the faculty, and anyone involved to treat the flag like that. It's a slap in the face to anyone in the armed forces or formerly in the armed forces. Yet another first amendment controversy. Yes, you have the right to freedom of speech, but throwing American flags all over the floor and walking over them is a pretty damn crappy way to use that freedom. I can understand why that man did what he did, and I, like the student who joined him, (loved that part, by the way!) would stand with him as well. |
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 mjfoxman
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
341 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:17:48 AM
Personally this makes no sense to me. The flag represents the country that allows u to have the freedom to do what u want as long as u don't break the law. Even if u are pissed at the guy in charge of the government the government as a whole or whatever y would u desecrate the flag that represents your freedom to speak out against these people. The flag represents this country and the people in it and the people serving to protect it, people that desecrate our flag piss me off the most because i have family that are in the war and they weren't forced to do it they did it because they believed it was the best thing for our protection. Personally if u desecrate, burn, or do anything to deface this country, then get the drat out of this country u don't have to live here and if u hate this country that much u don't deserve to live here |
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 Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
4753 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:53:00 AM
Hey clearsky: Your MOM is an attention whore.
I'm an artist. :P |
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 Shiruba
Male, 18-29, S. America
108 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:22:08 AM
and by the way, attention whores are attention whores because they manage to get attention, if you dont call anybody "attention whore", they dont get attention... then.. well, you get the idea... |
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Shiruba
Male, 18-29, S. America
108 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:15:36 AM
patriotism, nationalism, freedom...all lies... whats is a flag? the flag is not the country, the individual is not the country, who or what is really the country? |
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 Lou-Saydus
Male, 13-17, Western US
217 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:09:51 AM
im glad they will be dead in a few years. The american flag is a joke. |
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 leesah
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
1577 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:25:45 AM
...I don't get the 'art' part.
I get the attention whoring your name into the media and mainstream part...Saying a US Flag is /just/ a piece of cloth is like saying the Three Musicians is /just/ a piece of canvas. |
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 LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
10503 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:58:22 AM
Its not just a piece of cloth, its a flag. But it is just a flag, nothing more. Everything I saw here was predictable. This stunt was just a waste of time for many. |
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 Zuki
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
161 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:17:21 AM
It is disturbing to me to see so many disrespecting the men and women who have served in this country. I think it is a shame.About the flag? Personally I would have walked on it rather then around it. The flag is just the symbol. It only has the meaning you put into it. |
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 VONLINE
Male, 18-29, Southern US
573 Posts
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:50:45 AM
Watch this and tell me it's just a piece of cloth. Make sure you watch parts 2 and 3 as well. Show the slightest hint of integrity. |
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