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Marine Amputee Voluntarily Returns To Active Duty

Hits: 9919 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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Karumii
Male, 18-29, Europe
 18 Posts
Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:28:53 PM
Who cares?

Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:54:38 PM
lol you're right almightybob1, but I didn't get a chance to come back to the forum until late in the day so I felt like replying, more so to get it out of my system. I could care less if anyone ends up reading it. Just satisfies my itch to debate.

ImNoGod
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1156 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 3:51:51 PM
Now that's a frigging marine!

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:07:46 PM
LiquidGlass: no-one's debating this anymore.

Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:27:27 AM
And BS on your "way to put things out of context" my ass you've done that the whole time, but honestly I think it's just because you're stupid not because of your ability to manipulate.

Lauraly: you lost this argument when you said "I don't need to understand anything"


Whew that felt good, now see how many days it takes you to read through and comprehend that.


Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:26:23 AM
Holy crap, another overly emotional response. You're even using the western "seat of emotion"(the heart) for your argument. Something that is just an organ we associate with an emotion. Dumb ass. I don't know if I can tell you that enough.

"abused women and their kids" lol well at least you don't have to worry about him abusing them if he's overseas hmm?


and you're arguing in concrete terms that he's retarded for going back, you said you're self you're criticizing him now it says you're saying the "idea" is absurd. Stop trying to wiggle out of responsibility for your point of view. I'd respect you if you were able to hold a point logically.

Lauraly: The reason TeHrussian isn't understanding what you're saying is because not only does your comprehension suck, but your ability to express yourself logically without contradicting yourself is incredibly bad.


Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:25:42 AM
KoalaMeatPie: Any situation can apply to your little emotional appeal

"your dad died in........"
(a car wreck, a gang fight/crossfire, in the bathroom of a heart attack, of suicide, or how about in another terrorist attack)

HE's going to be behind the lines, no live action for him. Not a good chance he's going to die.


Lauraly: seriously, I don't think you're one to mention any kind of level of comprehension. since you "don't need to understand anything"

Another emotional response it seems. And actually yeah his wife probably had a long talk with him and they reasoned it out. Which is probably why he chose to take a desk job rather than something even slightly more dangerous.

You are arrogant enough to assume it seems.

"Estilo said it best when she stated that this guy is married to the corps, not to his wife and not to the heart of his little girl."


Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:25:22 AM
b) I left room to be wrong when I was speaking of your commitment issues. If it was an assumption, it would be concrete.


Lol now you're calling other people idiots when you obviously didn't know what you were talking about (putting himself back in danger, slowing down the troops, etc etc) Way to pay marginal attention to the only evidence we have and be quick to post to make yourself look like a dumbass.
guess that is being a hypocrite again hmm?

How about you don't try to argue when you don't know what you're talking about, reference any point above that is relevant for evidence.

so ok help this make sense here you go from

a) I even said, all we can do is make assumptions because we don't know this guy.

to

b) I'm criticizing a man because I don't agree with his choices

so it's your opinion and assumptions and now you're criticizing even though you admit you don't know the guy.

Nice job, dumb ass


Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:24:45 AM
But I am curious. It seems like you're telling me I can't make a judgment call on your personality based on your comments and then express my opinions from that little glimpse into what makes your mind tick.
this wouldn't be true would it? Because then you would be a hypocrite (I used it correctly, enjoy)

quick note:
If I was going to call you a quitter I would, you'd just have to accept my opinion wouldn't you?

Lol and you can tell me "not to dare" do anything, but it won't work, save your time typing it.


He COULD take a political route but the war would be over before he got anything done with it. And he's not putting his life in danger, he's going to be at a desk job helping his troops remotely. Without danger, except maybe he'll get hungry.

I assume nothing, I take the information I have and go no further.
a) you can't understand WWII I dont' care what you think you know, you weren't there, so you can't grasp it, period.


Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:23:44 AM
5)No this was far from a personal attack it was using your own emotions as a reference point to attempt to help you empathize.
With my opinion in there that since it seemed you couldn't understand his point of view you had probably never experienced certain emotions in your life


"hypocrisy" ? again, You do know the definition of this right? If you're really trying to tear down my arguement at least use the words in the right places. (yes this part is a personal attack, just in case you're not sure.)

lol well trust me Lauraly, I don't know you and I'm glad you've had the guts to stand up for something. Thanks for clarifying that point, which is why I left wiggle room in my comment and didn't definitely say you were a quitter. (this part was sincere)


Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:23:01 AM
4) lol who didn't have family in WWII? I had family on both sides of it since I'm mostly German.
So hold on how did I "once again" prove myself as a hypocrite, I never did it in the first place. Dumb ass.

My point about WWII is that, you WEREN'T ALIVE during that time, so yes you may have heard stories, etc etc. But it's not relevant because you didn't have the ability to have an opinion while it was going on or feel emotions about it. You're only using hindsight on it, which is much easier to do.

hold on WTF?
"If you even try to compare the validity of WW2 to the War in Iraq or try stating that they are equally important then I should just end my argument here."

lol who brought WWII up to begin with, oh yeah, you, using it as a basis of comparison. But yeah you should have ended your argument a long time ago.


Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:22:31 AM
3) does this ring a bell?

"I will never understand people who would rather risk their lives for a lying sack of poo president"

I didn't say you were speaking about him secificly with that statement if it came off that way, that's my fault. So this is the clarification. The point I made against that statement was simply a generic point.

You're right it "could" slow him down, if he was in the field, but they said he would be sitting in the command center, so I'm pretty sure it won't slow down his brain processing and ability to give commands.

again know what you're talking about before you say something. Even if you apparently disagree with the need to do this by this statement

"I don't have to understand anything"

It's obvious that you don't, can't, or won't understand anything as well.


Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:21:59 AM
Lauraly: Lol I didn't even begin to insult your intelligence, I insulted your process of thinking and your seemingly inability to consider a point of view different than yours. But coming from your comments I don't think I need to insult your intelligence any more than you have yourself.

1) no need to reply
2) Wrong didn't say, you couldn't make an opinion, I said you weren't taking any other opinion into your scope of thought.
Lol firstly, it's my choice, much like your opinion what to reply to. Depends on if it's worth typing back. Secondly, my response was logical in viewing the situation from a different angle. An emotional response would be the one you made on how he's leaving his family, and how you'd break his leg, etc etc. Stop projecting onto my rebuttal. If you're going to make an argument against me at least make it valid and applicable.


Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:21:12 AM
EstiloPanama:
Lol so you're questioning his love, his loyalty, and his quality of a dad and husband. You're a dumbass. Pull your head out of your ass and try to think of a different point of view. He might actually believe he's protecting the by going back. If he truly believed that, and you agreed. What would you think about him then?

I'm not a marine, and I'm not in the military, but Lejune is a nice camp, are they trash because you don't agree with their choice of job? You're a dumb ass. Period.

The same could be said "what is with the money driven idiots out there?" just fill in the blank. Everyone is an idiot for what they chase. You just don't think so if it happens to agree with your point of view.


Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:20:49 AM
koalaMeatPie: You're guessing at what's going on his head you have to look at the other points of view the whole protection thing I mentioned earlier.

Yes yes, I know what happens to marines worse than any other army member.

I agree COMPLETELY on troops being pawns.

But she did say something about WWII look back at her comment

And you can also argue that if the tank wasn't there, then other damage would have been somewhere else by the same people that would have died in the tank. If people want to kill bad enough they'll find someone to kill. Not being there doesn't stop them, it just delays it

- he can protect his family if he believes being over there is protecting them

-if you're going to preach to someone about knowing what they're talking about talk to your friend "lauraly" over here. Because your comment
"It makes you an ignorant douchebag."
seems to apply to her.


Drawstring
Male, 18-29, Western US
 90 Posts
Friday, February 29, 2008 9:49:01 PM
Ok so i was going to type this big long argument but i went back and read and another Marine did post. If you are not a Marine you have no idea what is like to depend on other people and have them depend on you. He signed up to do job and he is doing that. The moto is Semper Fi, ALWAYS Faithful, he is living up to that, another moto, Its Do or Die, again he is living up to that, Marines come first, This Marine is one hard charging motovated man. All of you that hate Bush, sucks to be you, Cananda isnt that far form the US. And all of you that say we are destroying the country of Iraq, wait till we pull out, it wont exist any more. Go through boot camp and then tell me this guy is a retard. Till then you have NO idea, None what so ever.

dragonrice
Male, 18-29, Canada
 640 Posts
Friday, February 29, 2008 9:41:42 PM
He just wants his revenge.

LoofahBoy
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3481 Posts
Friday, February 29, 2008 9:29:39 PM
Ha! You kids are just so cute. ^.^

TeHrussian
Male, 18-29, Western US
 492 Posts
Friday, February 29, 2008 9:21:47 PM
Haha, Yes yes yes! I win!

Wow, I sure do hope you never get to teach kids. You're the worst kind of ignorant person. You believe that there is no way you can be wrong and continue to make absolute statements without regard for the person. And guess what? I do understand him. I know dozens of people that would do the same thing. I know at least 2 that did something similar (shattered femur vs amputation). I would do it myself.

I feel bad for any husband you may ever have. He is doomed to misery.

Chris Rock nailed it when he said "We men are handicapped when it comes to arguments, cause we have a need to make SENSE."

Ok, you're infallible.


Lauraly
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2300 Posts
Friday, February 29, 2008 9:02:00 PM
I'm going to put it like this, you lost this argument the minute you said that you weren't going to read all of my points, because that just shows you only focus on things that could possibly help your side and not anything that might make you think twice about what you're saying. The only mistake I've made tonight was in bothering to argue with you knowing full well that you are ignorant, arrogant, and unwilling to consider other people's ideas. You are so full of yourself that you just assume that you're all knowing and everyone else is wrong compared to your vast knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately for you, that is not that case, but I don't see that ever getting through your thick skull. If you want to consider this post as "proof" that you won, feel free, because I'm done. I'm going to be the bigger person and just walk away... there is no getting through to you, and I'm going to make myself look stupid if I keep bothering. I should have cut out when Koala did.

Lauraly
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2300 Posts
Friday, February 29, 2008 8:46:48 PM
And, my values are the basis for my perception of him as a bad father/husband. The particulars are simple.. he was discharged due to his amputation, he basically begged to be allowed to go back to Iraq, and was allowed only after swimming the escape from Alcatraz. He chose the military over his family, and that is wrong.
I swear to god, I have written that same basic argument over and over an if you haven't been able to understand it by now then you never will, and that is your fault.
Also, how arrogant are you to assume that you understand him when you don't even know him. At least I admit that I don't understand someone I don't know. You continue to think that you share some special secret bond with a total stranger because you both were in the military. You don't know any more than I do on this particular story, so if you're going to say that I shouldn't judge him poorly then you shouldn't judge him in a good light either.

Lauraly
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2300 Posts
Friday, February 29, 2008 8:39:07 PM
You mentioned yourself that posts kept coming so quickly that it was getting difficult to keep up, so my posts are slightly out of sync with yours as I was continuously responding to something you said.
I don't have a problem with him choosing to be in the military, I have a problem with him choosing to return to the military after being discharged for a severe injury when he has family at home. Good job on putting things I said out of context. You can manipulate how people see your argument, bravo. You did it before to Koala as well.
Here I was thinking that we were possibly getting somewhere and being more civil, but you felt the need to attack once again. Yes, I was being big enough to say that perhaps I did a poor job of making my points clear to YOU (lots of other people seemed to understand) but then again, you already proved that you're not actually adept at joining arguments because you won't read a person's positions and will just jump on a bandwagon to attack them.

TeHrussian
Male, 18-29, Western US
 492 Posts
Friday, February 29, 2008 8:12:58 PM
I never argued with your values. I argue with your unfounded perception that he is somehow a bad person for going back without knowing the particulars or understanding him.

Oh and by the way, my reading comprehension has nothing to do with you expressing your thoughts unclearly and contradict yourself (eg: "I do not take issue with his choosing to be in the military" but then saying "if you have been injured severely then you should resign from the military" OR "Now, I am willing to say that perhaps my views are rather complicated so I have possibly done a poor job of expressing them" and then back to I was insulting your comprehension because you continue to question exactly what I think when I have written it many different ways to get my point across.") If you can't communicate clearly, it's not the reader's fault.

I'm glad to see you learning the most basic way of doing it through a bulleted list.


Lauraly
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2300 Posts
Friday, February 29, 2008 7:54:50 PM
I said severely injured, getting shot isn't nearly as severe as having to have an amputation. I've had friends who have continued to serve after having injuries as well, and I wouldn't say they were wrong for doing so. They however didn't have children waiting for them at home, which in my opinion makes going back a poor choice if you've been discharged due to injury.
It is nice to see that you agree with a statement I made earlier that family is also a commitment; I happen to think that it is wrong for him to place his commitment to the marines (i.e. his career) over his commitment to his family. But, that is my opinion based on my values which you agreed to finally stop arguing with.

Lauraly
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2300 Posts
Friday, February 29, 2008 7:43:24 PM
people have.

I was insulting your comprehension because you continue to question exactly what I think when I have written it many different ways to get my point across. I have multiple thoughts on the topic, and it is this particular combination of things that I dislike.
Your argument is no stronger than mine, it is still opinion with the added factor that you are imprinting your own thoughts and values on this guy. At least I was not coming into this with a biased view.
I am not ignoring considerations... you are simply making up ones as you go along so that your thoughts seem stronger in your own mind.


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