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12 Inch Miracle Tube Could Halve Heating Bills

Hits: 26455 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: Science | Added by: Snoogans
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Male, 40-49, Europe
 383 Posts
Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:56:26 PM

Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 238 Posts
Saturday, September 29, 2007 12:33:00 AM
why was i thinking of something nasty>?

Female, 50-59, Western US
 15155 Posts
Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:27:53 PM
No offense young people. You are our future. I would like to see what a phd had to say on the topic.

Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1394 Posts
Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:30:45 PM
its so obvious... Magic! dang wizards...

Female, 13-17, Canada
 321 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:25:31 PM
"Well I give up then. Clearly no one reads my posts."

Because they're too effing long! If you wanna be like a five-year-old and fight with Mongoose, e-mail him.

Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 246 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:22:34 PM
Lies. Energy can be created! ... if you don't count mass energy as energy...

A simple chemical reaction such as Hydrogen and Oxygen coming together actually "destroys" some of the mass to "create" energy (for the binding of the molecule)... ie H20 weighs less than 2H plus 1O.


Male, 18-29, Europe
 28 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:46:08 PM
Yes the surrounding air does have that much energy.

And yes its pretty obvious that we can't know for sure without primary data, but that's no reason not to give my very plausible argument as to how it might be done.

Just because I called you a fool and you didnt use a similar derogatory word doesn't mean that I was the first one to throw blatant insults.

You implied that I was stupid by saying my argument was flawed- not because it was incorrect but because you didn't understand many of the words.

Whilst im sure that the secret chemical is a catalyst, I don't know enoromous amounts about chemistry, so I won't try and poke my nose into your debate with dudeman. but it can be said that his argument is written a lot more clearly and a LOT more concisely- a sign of intelligence. Theres a 1000 character limit you know;)

It is fun though :)

Male, 18-29, Europe
 297 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:39:57 PM
If mrMongoose's theory were correct, then to get twice the energy out than what was put in, the value of C would have to be equal to the values of A+B. Does the surrounding air have that much energy? Would the scientists have checked this in their experiments? Look, I've admitted that I was wrong in places. And I'm the only one who hasn't thrown blatant insults around. So therefore I'm the one who's "flaming" people.

The only way anyone could figure this out is if they had the results from the experiments with the device. If a dumb guy like me can figure that out, then why can't you mrMongoose?

This is fun, isn't it? :)

Male, 18-29, Europe
 297 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:26:51 PM
Well I give up then. Clearly no one reads my posts. Especially dudeman1st. Electrolysis of water is dull and slow, so other things are often used to the same effect. Sulphuric acid, for example.

Now here's where dudeman1st falls into the same hole as mrMongoose. Now they both may be very intelligent people, but at first they don't seem to be. Dudeman1st here seems to think that that bit of potassium carbonate, which at no point would get into the water tank, would be filling up your bath. Hmm...alkaline bath. Degree or no degree, the rest of his post agrees with me. Hydrogen and oxygen, whoopee. And he calls me dumb. Perhaps he should keep his mouth zipped for a bit next time eh?

mrMongoose thinks I'm dumb because apparently I don't know what endothermic and entropy mean. And then he goes off on a big explanation which a team of scientists couldn't work out but he could. Because he's super smart. Well done mrMongoose.

Male, 30-39, Europe
 397 Posts
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:52:42 AM
^^^ ha ha ha , that's nice. (I like pie too.)

Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 35 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:59:52 PM
i like pie. i mean why do we have to talk about science mumbo jumbo. im in 7th grade. i hsve no idea what thermolaw thing is.(dont call me retarded though im gifted)i like pie

Male, 13-17, Europe
 436 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:23:37 PM

Male, 30-39, Europe
 397 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:16:33 PM
^^^^^ YAAAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNN. Christ, dont ever let me get caught sitting next to you in the pub.

Male, 18-29, Europe
 28 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:14:45 PM
Sorry if the oven fridge example was too concise for you. I assumed theres a 1000 character limit limit because thats how long the owners of i-am bored want comments to be.

Whilst you flamed me for using words you don't understand and didn't like my phrasing (for which I apologise profusely), I fail to see you pointing out any genuine mistakes in my argument. Allow me to clarify.

Water + electricity (amount A) + heat(amount B)= hydrogen + oxygen

Heat in means surrounding temperature drops.

Temperature difference between cooled water and surrounding air causes heat transfer (amount C) until water returns to room temperature.

Under high pressure, bubbles of hydrogen and oxygen become water again.

Hydrogen + oxygen = water + heats A,B,C

So, energy in from internal energy of water and from electricity= A+B

Energy out= A+B+C

COP= (A+B+C)/(A+B)>1

Sorry for the pseudo chemical equations.

Male, 18-29, Europe
 297 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:10:49 PM
(1000 chars my arse)...intimidated? Right. I see how that works. And now that you've proven your mastery at psychology, maybe this defence proves that I'm insecure and won't let things go. Maybe I'll grow up to beat my wife because she disagrees with me once. Ah, there's the piss taking again. Notice how it merely serves to irritate you a little and your retorts would likely be less thought through, and would be full of holes for me to pick at. It's petty argumentation, but anyone with a 20% attendance record at any high school playground knows that it works effectively.

Yes, I've blabbed on a bit too long and no one likes that, and probably made a load of people begin to dislike me. Well, it beats shouting photoshopped anyway.

Male, 18-29, Europe
 297 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:05:02 PM
I'd also like to point out that mrMongoose interpreted what I said wrongly also. He thought I was banging on about efficiency. Look at my post, and you'll see that it isn't true. He was the first to actually use a nice little name for me, "fool", even if indirectly.

But this all links back to my original point. No one here knows the way it works, if it really does, so any explanation is going to be wrong. And all I did was pick holes in one explanation in a slightly harsh way, and then I'm the bad guy. Ah well.

I also seemed to class myself as a smart guy with the £0.01 thing, so clearly I was trying look like I was intelligent. Right...perhaps I meant "English joke!" instead. Well, I can see where these statements come from, so I'm sorry if I angered you. You're right though, mrMongoose probably is smarter than me, but even smart people make mistakes. So maybe I pointed one out, and added in a little something to reduce his credibility, because I'm intimid

Male, 18-29, Europe
 297 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:52:25 PM
"I have a feeling Andyl feels intimidated by people smarter than him. He obviously doesn't understand the fridge/oven statement."

This statement was said by mr. ttsec because he thought I was a 13 year old who seems too big for my boots and want to stand with the big boy crowd.

The oven statement was not phrased in a way that would make mrMongoose seem super clever. Besides, from what I can tell he seems to think that it works by turning water into hydrogen and oxygen and then reacting these again to get water. No overall energy gain. If he's just stating that then fair enough, I understand that, and I also know that I don't know how this device works and no one else here does.

I do understand that I'm being very harsh, but that's just how I play it. Of course, I look like the bad guy and then pull in wannabe psychologists diagnosing me with narcissism or thinking me as some guy acting like an arsehole because I'm anonymous. Fair enough, let them have their fun.

Male, 70 & Over, Europe
 1116 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:25:47 PM
Two possibilities:
1) The extra heat is taken somewhere else they are not aware of.
2) Our present tubes somehow suppress the actual amount of heat generated.

You're missing the third one...

It's fake...

Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 2 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:25:39 AM
To all the naysayers out there: Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean you should knock it. Gravity, Double Slit Experiment, Magnetics, etc...

Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 20 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:08:54 AM
^^Lol LBlues, I was just craving subway.

Male, 18-29, Western US
 741 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:44:15 AM
No, a 12 inch miracle is a trip to subway

Male, 30-39, Western US
 543 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:36:57 AM
I call BullShixor! Who wants to make a bet? It does not put out more energy than went in.

Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1848 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:45:02 AM
the fact that it works kicks ass...the fact that they don't know how it it works....is awesome!!!

Male, 18-29, Western US
 127 Posts
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:41:53 AM
"'....When you plug in your hairdryer, you aren't getting hot air from nothing--'

Yes i do, i've rigged the meter."

Then the laws of thermodynamics aren't the laws you should be worried about. :)

Male, 13-17, Western US
 93 Posts
Monday, September 24, 2007 11:25:50 PM
I bet that it takes a lot of energy to get the solution ready, just like how it takes a lot of energy to mine the lithium for an elecric car battery. Or realy on some non renewable sourse.
think about a battery, you put in no energy, and a omfg of a lot comes out. Forget that it only lasts a year... this thing will probably stop produceing heat very quickly, and then you would have waisted a whole lot of money.

Sorry for any gramer and/or spelling mistakes.

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