12 Inch Miracle Tube Could Halve Heating Bills

A simple chemical reaction such as Hydrogen and Oxygen coming together actually "destroys" some of the mass to "create" energy (for the binding of the molecule)... ie H20 weighs less than 2H plus 1O.

And yes its pretty obvious that we can't know for sure without primary data, but that's no reason not to give my very plausible argument as to how it might be done.

Just because I called you a fool and you didnt use a similar derogatory word doesn't mean that I was the first one to throw blatant insults.

You implied that I was stupid by saying my argument was flawed- not because it was incorrect but because you didn't understand many of the words.

Whilst im sure that the secret chemical is a catalyst, I don't know enoromous amounts about chemistry, so I won't try and poke my nose into your debate with dudeman. but it can be said that his argument is written a lot more clearly and a LOT more concisely- a sign of intelligence. Theres a 1000 character limit you know;)

The only way anyone could figure this out is if they had the results from the experiments with the device. If a dumb guy like me can figure that out, then why can't you mrMongoose?

Now here's where dudeman1st falls into the same hole as mrMongoose. Now they both may be very intelligent people, but at first they don't seem to be. Dudeman1st here seems to think that that bit of potassium carbonate, which at no point would get into the water tank, would be filling up your bath. Hmm...alkaline bath. Degree or no degree, the rest of his post agrees with me. Hydrogen and oxygen, whoopee. And he calls me dumb. Perhaps he should keep his mouth zipped for a bit next time eh?

Whilst you flamed me for using words you don't understand and didn't like my phrasing (for which I apologise profusely), I fail to see you pointing out any genuine mistakes in my argument. Allow me to clarify.

Water + electricity (amount A) + heat(amount B)= hydrogen + oxygen

Heat in means surrounding temperature drops.

Temperature difference between cooled water and surrounding air causes heat transfer (amount C) until water returns to room temperature.

Under high pressure, bubbles of hydrogen and oxygen become water again.

Hydrogen + oxygen = water + heats A,B,C

So, energy in from internal energy of water and from electricity= A+B

Energy out= A+B+C

COP= (A+B+C)/(A+B)>1

But this all links back to my original point. No one here knows the way it works, if it really does, so any explanation is going to be wrong. And all I did was pick holes in one explanation in a slightly harsh way, and then I'm the bad guy. Ah well.

This statement was said by mr. ttsec because he thought I was a 13 year old who seems too big for my boots and want to stand with the big boy crowd.

The oven statement was not phrased in a way that would make mrMongoose seem super clever. Besides, from what I can tell he seems to think that it works by turning water into hydrogen and oxygen and then reacting these again to get water. No overall energy gain. If he's just stating that then fair enough, I understand that, and I also know that I don't know how this device works and no one else here does.

You're missing the third one...

Yes i do, i've rigged the meter."