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Health Inspector Trespassing

Hits: 14840 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: Misc. | Added by: buddy
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Discomonkey
Male, 13-17, Europe
 1385 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 9:54:03 AM
this guy was within his rights not allowing them on his property without a warrant, simple as evne hive he had illegal weapons in his house i dont think they can come in, (did the full video not load for anyone else?)

minitimm
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 82 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 9:12:46 AM
All those who side with the property owner would have a different opinion if his illegal home made septic tank ran into your drinking water. Then we would have a slew of people saying"The government should have done something about this."
I had a crazy neighbor once call CPS on me and mywife claiming we abuse our kids. The case worker came to the house, and requested to look around. I let her in, she looked around and spoke to the kids. She found no signs or evidence of abuse, and I have never seen the woman again. I could have refused, to which she would have returned with the police, causing a major scene. I'm sorry but if you have nothing to hide, what does it matter if they look around your property?

Musika
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 10 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 9:12:22 AM
My response is based on what I saw in the video and the video alone.

He was completely within his rights. They were completely wrong


newbie4sale
Female, 18-29, Asia
 104 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 9:00:48 AM
"this guys a complete scum bag that could be hurting people even children with something he's doing."

Yes, this man could be hurting children! Oh, please think of the children!


Rick_S
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 3165 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:56:59 AM
As braddock1134 said, the area inspected was in plain sight. Someone called and made a complaint. They pulled up and saw, from the road, in plain site, that some activity was going on. That gives them the right for a warrentless search of the area in plain sight. If they wanted to go inside the trailer, that would possibly be different, as it's not in plain sight.

Let's say someone called the cops and said that he was growing pot on his property, mixed in with corn. The police pull up, without a warrent, to just ask some questions, and they say a corn crop on the property that is clearly posted No Trespassing, they will be able to make a case for probable cause in court, and will be able to cross the property line to check out the corn field without a warrent.

Let's say someone calls and says he's growing pot in his basement. If they can see the pot from the road through a window, they can enter. If they pull up and can't see the basement, they can't.


newbie4sale
Female, 18-29, Asia
 104 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:46:48 AM
omg, here we go again....same debate, different thread.

robock
Male, 18-29, Canada
 320 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:38:44 AM
And if the guy have an illegal septic tank, than it is pure good luck that he did. What if he didn't had one? Then the inspector would have been wrong to enter the property on a claim from a neighbour. And that is what I fear. That official breach into your house granting themselves access, and realize that you were inocent.

And I don't get it with all the cops saying if you have something to hide, then you must be a criminal. So if no one is a criminal, then we all have nothing to hide, which result in loss of privacy, because everything you have is public access.


robock
Male, 18-29, Canada
 320 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:31:41 AM
"If that guy had a big fence and signs saying keep out and all that then there would be a bigger problem,"
Actually there IS a "no trespassing sign". Rewatch the begining of the video if you don't remember it.

And if they can see the property from the road, then they should photograph it from the road.


SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4151 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:27:17 AM
I agree that government officials need to have access, at times, to private property. However, don't you think they should be able to say why they have that right in a particular circumstance?

I mean, that ought to be a basic part of their job, to understand what their legal rights as officials are and aren't. I'm not saying that anyone was in the right or wrong here, but I am saying that I expect public officials to know the law--way before I expect a private citizen to know the law.

Just like with Circuit City Receipt Man, I think the public officials here were ignorant of the law and just assumed a right to access. And that really is a problem. They ought to either know they have a right, or go away until they do know. Assuming they have a right and backtracking after the fact can and does lead to erosion of our civil rights.


MrRub
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:20:19 AM
He's quoting the constitution; that old thing! Democracy in America is dead; supplanted with Totalitarianism. Stop thinking, and embrace it. They will make are lives all better.

braddock1134
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 4 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:07:47 AM
reasonable expectation of privacy for it. the cops will win in the one i guarantee it.
Remember just because you think its private and you think you have the expectation of privacy doesn't make it so. If that guy had a big fence and signs saying keep out and all that then there would be a bigger problem,
also if they believe he is causing a health problem that could effect other people then it would be considered an emergency situation and they could most certainly gain access to you property to prevent an emergency, you people hate cops so much you could give a drat that this guys a complete scum bag that could be hurting people even children with something he's doing. Police don't go out of there way to drat with innocent people. So if your speeding and you get a ticket, remember you did something wrong.

braddock1134
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 4 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:07:13 AM
there are plenty of loopholes that allow warrentless searches, except this wasn't a search. also everything that women was taking photos of was in plain view from the road which means the guy had no reasonable expectation of privacy to it. Whether he thought it was private or not. before any of you call out that she went behind his house and it couldn't be see from the road I'll point out that that doesn't matter either. his property line falls on what appears to be an open field. there is something called the open field doctrine. it basically gives the cops permission to go out on those fields because no one can have a reasonable expectation of privacy on those fields. so if they can see something wrong on some guys property from the edge of his property line they can photograph it if they want too. plus if they see something illegal they can go arrest the guy and confiscate it. I'll be honest unless its inside your house and away from the windows. you probably don't have any rea

icantthink41
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 349 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 7:47:55 AM
why would a health inspectro want to check out his personal property? Any health inspector wants to check out my apartment can eat my fat ass.

bondeggi
Male, 30-39, Asia
 14 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:51:32 AM
the guy sort of seemed like comic book guy from the simpsons, however, they were without warrant and intruded on the property. Unless they had probable cause to believe a life was endangered, they just cant barge in like that. Now this has become viral, jobs will be lost

nescient1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 524 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:19:40 AM
Rufifi
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
107 Posts Saturday, September 08, 2007 2:13:50 AM
dang stop doing that and write about the post! lol
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lmao cos you didn't get first....narb

and wtf was the point in the video?


EnlistedOne
Female, 18-29, Western US
 18 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:58:20 AM
The camera man is right. The lady is breaking a constitutional law. Granted, he's a bit emotional, but he is right and that's all that matters. Her photographs are invalid and anything she records otherwise is also the same.

I don't like it that she's so callous and that she thinks she owns his land and that the police official is ridiculously dumb. They're public officals, they're supposed to be just a smidgeon smarter than a bag of rocks.


Demondan
Male, 18-29, Australia
 99 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:40:20 AM
Hang on JaLacaob, how would you feel if some random woman came to your house and requested to walk around and poke through your things? Personally, I would not be to happy and/or inviting, and yes I too would probably come off as arrogant. She was completely in the wrong, if it was true that he was building an illegal septic tank, then she should have taken the right measures to deal with the matter.
Remember, there is no immediate threat here and the sheriff allowed the trespass. Go get a warrant and do your job properly!

chillywhack
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 139 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:02:15 AM
Police and public officials need one of four things to enter private property. The owners permission, probable cause (meaning, they can explain to a judge why it is reasonable to think a crime is being committed there), a warrant, or they are chasing a felon and they witness him go onto the property.
And in my opinion, it doesn't matter if the guy was arrogant or not. There's lots of non-nice individuals in this country, yet we all have rights.
If the lady had reason to believe an illegal septic system was being installed, then she should have said so when the guy asked repeatedly.

Tymberwulf
Male, 30-39, Western US
 102 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:57:11 AM
From what I have been able to gather he was installing an illegal septic tank. Someone called the health department and she went to investigate. He refused, she did it anyway. And I haven't found proof yet, but the end result was criminal charges were dropped, but he did not receive any compensation.

If I find actual proof (this was gathered from like 5 different sites) I will post a link.


scalawag
Male, 18-29, Western US
 164 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:37:55 AM
We hardly even know half the story.

JaLacaob
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1793 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:13:07 AM

...frankly... I was sorta pissed at what an arrogant non-nice individual that guy was being.

It frustrates me when people babble off the basic laws and expect to be in the right (and with such attitude) and don't bother learning the ones like that inspector had on her side. XD


Snoogans
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 721 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:49:00 AM
^JaLacaob....thanks for the info. An unauthorized septic tank would pose a threat to public safety. I guess it's hard to say who is in the right when all you see is a video on the internet.

JaLacaob
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1793 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:28:11 AM
From here: http://www.videosift.com/video/Sheriff-A... I got a reasonable response/followup..

"I've tried finding out what happened and it would seem his property ended up being condemned. He was making an unauthorised septic tank as best as I can gather." of which there is a link within if you find the quote.
Unfortunately, the link is from another unreliable source.. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cg...

So you can make your own opinions.


anime-craze
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 108 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:26:51 AM
what Cashcleaner says is right but as far as we know there was no crime or being chased by police. a neibor(sp?) or someone else called in and said there might be something wrong.

if this did or does go to court i think this guy videotaping will win.


JaLacaob
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1793 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:23:27 AM

I agree with Cashcleaner and tulip.. Because of their job.. inspectors and/or police (protectors?) they don't need a warrant on current probably cause. If they needed a warrant it might be too late by the time they get one.

*shrug* I'd like to know if someone has a followup, tho.


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