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Papers Please: Arrested At Circuit City

Hits: 19791 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: buddy
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Iamnotbored2
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 93 Posts
Friday, September 21, 2007 12:16:04 PM
http://www.michaelrighi.com/2007/09/20/s...

Cleared of all charges.


Iamnotbored2
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 93 Posts
Monday, September 10, 2007 11:34:57 PM
Such a reason is incidental when it comes to the law. While not being able to show your receipt because you lost/ate/burned it or that you wish to keep your goods secret/unseen by other people/because the voices say so, the law does not say you HAVE to show it to anyone after you buy it. Beyond that it's for an officer of the law or a citizen to have probable cause to detain you, but as said before, no receipt or secrecy is NOT probable cause.

catbarf
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1314 Posts
Monday, September 10, 2007 4:10:59 PM
Iamnotbored, you have made quite a few very good points. I think an interesting experiment would be to actually have a reason not to show your bag (like, say, keeping pornography in it), and then refusing. In that case, it would be rather clear-cut, wouldn't you say?

KitsumiMaru
Male, 18-29, Europe
 34 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:12:39 PM
Thanks Iamnotbored2, but interestingly enough it was Benjamin Franklin who said something to that effect, I do think that europeans in general are more aware of our rights, possibly due to the many differing legal systems in place in our neighbouring countries, and I would also like to state that in my own opinion, laws and rules are there to protect the citizenry, not to control them, many people do not notice their rights being taken away when it happens in stages, little things like ID cards, CCTV, DNA databases, fingerprinting of children in schools and tightened immigration can be used as positive forces, but they can equally be used in negative ways.

It is up to the individual to evaluate the rightness or wrongness of his society, and to take positive action in creating a better future for his/her children.

I wholeheartedly support this guy for standing up for his liberties as a free man.


Iamnotbored2
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 93 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 11:58:16 AM
KitsumiMaru,

Well said. I'm always surprised how many US posters here prefer expendiency in shopping over their loss of civil rights. It seems you folks in Europe are much more away of how citizen's rights work and the value of them.


Iamnotbored2
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 93 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 11:10:48 AM
Here is the scariest and dumbest quote of all by MICROCENT

"Asking to see a receipt of purchase is no difference than an officer asking to see your license, registration, OR proof of insurance"

Microcent apparently equates a minimum wage Best Buy receipt checker with zero legal/criminal law training to a police officer. Simply amazing. The stupidity of that line of thinking is shocking.


KitsumiMaru
Male, 18-29, Europe
 34 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 11:03:47 AM
He who gives up freedom for security neither gets nor deserves either.

Iamnotbored2
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 93 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 10:31:17 AM
And one last thing for the idiots who say shop somewhere else.. that is perfectly fine, it's an option, HOWEVER having other options does not give the store the right to DETAIN ANYONE. The store could BAN the guy for not following their policy (this is legal), they could call the cops (again legal), if they SAW HIM STEAL AND LEAVE THE STORE they could detain him via citizens arrest (legal, but dangerous, if your wrong you open yourself up to civil and criminal charges). The store has MANY OPTIONS for theft prevention, and yes they can ASK FOR RECEIPTS, but you can say NO legally. Then they could explain that the person is banned, etc etc and he can shop somewhere else. The store has options, but citizens have RIGHTS. Corporate policy does NOT trump citizen's rights you bunch of sheep.

Iamnotbored2
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 93 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 10:27:40 AM
The store could ask to see your receipt, sexual favors, for hugs and kisses, you have the RIGHT to say no and walk out. A customer is not obliged to help the store in theft prevention in any way. You are not being compensated to do it, it's not a obligation you have, you paid your money you are free to leave without being hastled by ANYONE, regardless of wether or not they work at the store at all. Get that through your heads guys. You can choose to show your receipt, give id, give DNA and your social security number, but that is your choice. When BB tried to detain this guy for his lawfull refusal to show his receipt they broke the law. If you can argue this fine do it, otherwise just shut the hell up

Iamnotbored2
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 93 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 10:25:00 AM
For the last few posters let's get a few basic things straight:

Just because you are on private property you DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS. Going into a private buisness that is open to the public does not mean they can demand to search you after you have completed a legal transaction. Sams and Costco have you sign MEMBERSHIPS BEFORE you shop there so you agree to those terms in a legally binding contract. Short of signing such a contract prior to shopping in the store, a store has no right so earch you. And again for you whiners who say "it's no big deal just let them search you" that is not the point. The point is that they legally have no right to detain you if you say NO! So get it through your thick heads that the resonableness of the request (check your id, check your receipt, get a DNA sample) has no bearing on how right they are to detain you if you say no. Since many of you can't seem to read let me say this again, the store CAN ASK ANYTHING OF YOU when you lea


Musika
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 10 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:48:20 AM
Jai Hind a lot of people that agree with what they guy did aren't making him out to be a martyr. Yeah, I think the guy was within his rights. However that's it.

Cash; regardless of something being privately owned does not give them the right to search you. We live in America and we also have a protection again illegal searches. They had no reasonable cause to search him.


Cashcleaner
Male, 18-29, Canada
 320 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:15:15 AM
This all happened on private property (yes, stores and mall parking lots are owned privately) so I don't see how the guy should demand anything.

HE is making a choice to enter the premises.

HE is making the choice to turn down a request to check the contents on his person.

HE is making the choice to complicate matters to suit himself.

How is the store NOT in a position to demand a receipt or anything like that? Last time I checked, people don't kidnap others and force them to shop at Circuit City.


damoo
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 293 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:42:28 AM
wow why not just show them your receit.
make you dad bail you out with 300 bucks and now you got a court date. was it worth it?

Jai_Hind
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 8331 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:04:10 AM
is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the majority of the people who making this guy into a martyr have......

A.) just joined recently

B.) a post count lower than 30

C.) a universal tone


blanktom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:55:29 AM
I can't stand people who pretend to be fighting for their rights when all they're doing is getting off on some sort of power trip (oh and costing taxpayers a lot of money with frivolous law suites and unnecessary trials).

BubbaLuvSpon
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 158 Posts
Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:17:08 AM
Iamnotbored... and how do you know that the store did not have "reasonable cause" to detain him? Because the schmuck didn't include that in his blog?

I'm done with this. For people to get SO worked up because some FOOL throws a blog on the internet making certain claims. Who knows what really happened. I do know that it doesn't warrant this type of response. The fact that this is being compared, luckily only by the fools on this board, to Rosa Parks is beyond me. "Kids", this isn't even in the same ballpark.


WOWIAMBORED6
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 2 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2007 11:58:44 PM
WTF ok you have to understand that some stores check you bags such as Sams club and you know i would think that you were trying to hide something if you were refusing to show me your bag and the cop wanted to see his liscense to make sure that he wasn't lieing about his identification. Thats like me walking into the bank saying my name, refusing to give a form of identification, and then not understanding why the heck they won't let me take money out. Like are you serious if you think hes right and you say crap like oh hes helping with our rights. WTF is wrong with you if you really have a problem with our rights then dont do something so stupid to make your point and if you really think that your rights aren't good enough go to a different country and see their rights compared to ours. so just shut up about it

microcent
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2007 11:41:26 PM
Ok, this is by far the most retarded thing I have ever seen. It's because of belligerent individuals like this that makes me ashamed to be an American. What kind of an Ass says 'No Thanks' and walks off when the LP guys ask to see his receipt? And now he is taking them to court? In my opinion yes, he should win. Take the amount he makes in an hour, multiply it by the number of hours he was held by the LP guy, and that is what he gets.

Asking to see a receipt of purchase is no difference than an officer asking to see your license, registration, OR proof of insurance - One would assume you have it, but how else will you know for sure? It's the officer's job to make sure the law is obeyed. That is exactly what he was doing.


Iamnotbored2
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 93 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2007 10:00:20 PM
Qpax,

Exactly. I think many of these people are underage children who are so used to blindly obeying authority figures and having their way and instant gratification, that the idea of someone actually NOT following an order is incomprehensible. And god forbid if someone causes a fuss when leaving a store and inconveniencing, the other customers!!! I mean oh god they may have to wait a few more minutes in a receipt check line!!! OMG!!! WTF??? Spoiled kids who can't think about the fact that adults actually concern themselves with the rights they are due, not just about getting back to mommy and daddy's house to homework.


Iamnotbored2
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 93 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2007 9:56:13 PM
Kenny_F,

oh and I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings kid. Hopefully you will learn that I'm not one of your teenybopper friends who smiles and nods vacantly as you say attacking cops for no reason is a good idea. I live in the real world kid not in mom and dads basement. I have a job, a family and engage in adult interactions with law enforcement. You will find kid when you grow up that such sentiments as attacking cops because it gets you hot and bothered is NOT considered a positive thing and marks you as immature trailer trash kid. Just a heads up as approach adulthood.


Qpax
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2340 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2007 9:55:25 PM
I love the way some people are saying things like 'he deserved it for being so arrogant' and 'he's obsessed with political correctness'.

Since when has someone being arrogant meant that it's okay for miscarriages of justice to be carried out - you can't just arrest someone for doing something you find annoying. And it's not politically correct rubbish to refuse to let random people search you when they have no right.

It's the kind of people who say stuff like that who would be happy to bring in arbitrary arrests to 'make the world safer'. Ludicrous.


Iamnotbored2
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 93 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2007 9:48:23 PM
Kenny_F,

Really grow up kid. If you really post something as stupid as the best thing in your life is fantasizing about hitting a cop in the face with a brick.. I mean you are so pathetic. If you had even a 4th graders education you would have read that I stated that not all cops are good people, but that overall they provide a highly valuable and necessary service in our society. As oppossed to you kid. You post online about your wet dream of assaulting a cop (apparently any cop) and smashing their face with a brick. You are a internet tough guy kid, your also apparently someone with sick violent fantasies about cops when they do something you don't do, provide a useful service to society. Your a waste of time kid, go back to watching your gang bang videos and jerk off to your violent fantasies kid, but your a waste of space and always will be internet tough guy.


kenny_f
Male, 13-17, Southern US
 1849 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2007 9:14:05 PM
iamnotbored, go fu*k yourself. dont give me your rehtoric about how there good people, because all they do is make everyone believe there word is law or your treason. and dont consider me as a stereotype of a fake tough internet kid, when you are the worst steroetype, the non-nice individual you says everyone is stupid that disagerees with him.
ps: being a cop is one of the best jobs you can do without going to college, and you are way too old to start petty fights on the internet

Iamnotbored2
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 93 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2007 8:27:33 PM
Musika,

Exactly. I'm not saying that inherintly it doesn't make sense to suspect someone when they won't show a receipt or I.D... of course we think it is odd! However odd behavior does NOT mean you are guilty of something.

Apparently people like Vonline if you fight for any kind of rights it has to be flashy and big (thus his Rosa Parks comparison). Unfortunately this guy was white and just didn't want to show a receipt.. so he's an attention whore! So glad we have people like Vonline who are able to determine when it is COOL to fight for your civil rights and when it's DUMB and annoying to do it. Stupid kids who watch too many movies and think the the only time you fight for your rights is when your a minority fighting the government over such issues as racism or gender equality, cause that's what kids like him see on T.V. They forget that you can fight for your rights even when leaving a department store. I guess it doesn't make a good movie so it's lame.


Musika
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 10 Posts
Friday, September 07, 2007 8:14:24 PM
A lot of people here have great ideas for why this guy SHOULD be arrested. However, he was completely within his rights. The store had no proof that he might have stolen something. While yes, this is private property, it still is an encroachment upon civil liberties. Also, the police were also outside of their bounds. He wasn't driving the car, therefore he didn't have to carry a driver's license. Demanding his "papers" is something that he should be able to decline without fear of punishment.

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