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The Big Brother State

Hits: 51010 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: buddy
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Female, 13-17, Eastern US
 91 Posts
Saturday, October 06, 2007 2:32:00 PM
aww crap

Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Monday, July 09, 2007 4:36:01 AM
No matter WHAT the propaganda designed to persuade you into selling-out your fundamental civil-rights, or which side it comes from, it's the fact that we are dealing with this entire middle-eastern conflict the wrong way; maybe not ENTIRELY wrong, but certainly not RIGHT enough to ELIMINATE this threat altogether, and THAT'S where we should be starting! Putting all our attention and efforts on treating the symptoms will only distract resources and efforts in putting the ORIGIN of these problems right again, and eventually exacerbate the very threats they are professing to address (read: treat) out of pure negligence. The cancer is in the middle-east; if you spend all of your money on pain medication that is only going to make you feel worse in the morning, you won't have any leftover for Chemo; and that's the bottom-line.

Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Monday, July 09, 2007 4:35:19 AM
(most insidiously, from yourself), and full-body scanning in the name of national security (perhaps the ONLY element of Neocon influence to be found practically in this entire scheme!). It's the Socialist, welfare-stater, cradle-to-grave proponents which so successfully set these sort of dystopian plays into motion, and are the ones who are so successful at convincing you it's all coming from the other side.

A note on the terror situation; it MAY be an invented need, there MAY have been a conspiracy surrounding 9/11, and the media MAY be exaggerating this threat (even though its greatest hypes surround ACTUAL events like the bombing in this narrator's country of innocent civilians on public-transit units, and the ACTUAL rioting of young Negro and Muslim youths and unprovoked assault against white citizens), but here's what it comes down to: we have to treat the CAUSES, not the symptoms!

Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Monday, July 09, 2007 4:34:42 AM
You all point to the Nazi's, but guess who had the most extensive and BRUTAL internal surveillance system? The Soviet-Union, and now Communist China (less) and NORTH-KOREA (more). Guess where all the surveillance-interest is coming from? 'Democratic' representatives of your self-interest who wish to keep you safe from yourself; it's the little freedoms, like smoking in public-places, having the choice between a variety of health-care providers, not facing criminal charges if you neglect to put on your seatbelt, and a variety of other 'concerned-restrictions' which stem from the liberal nanny-state internationalist-agenda that lead to your loss of self-determination regarding what you would put into your body, the implementation of 'safe-ware' which restricts your choice to an oligopoly of providers vs. among myriad options competing in the free-market (indirectly analogous to certain socialized health-care schemes), perpetual surveillance under the auspices of 'guaranteed protection'

Male, 13-17, Western US
 125 Posts
Monday, July 09, 2007 2:48:24 AM
Well, we can always use force. Im talking about the second amendment, oh peaceable ones!

Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 122 Posts
Saturday, July 07, 2007 9:02:30 PM
That was extremely boring.

Loved (meaning hated) the ad at the begining.

The comments were interesting on the page though. Seems everyone has a theory or two about "how much is to much".

Honestly, in history, every great society falls from the inside out. Look at Rome or the Ottoman Empire. Give a country too much leash and it will hang itself.

It's inevitable.

Now I'm going to go watch Skeletor vs Beastman on You Tube.

Male, 13-17, Canada
 160 Posts
Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:58:56 PM
Would you rather some cop know that you're private information or be murdered?

Female, 60-69, Europe
 3283 Posts
Saturday, July 07, 2007 2:18:37 AM
Really, while this movie does make a good point, it doesn't do it very well.
Now, yes, I am concerned about this, because, in the hands of bigots, these are powerful instruments that could be used for all sorts of henious things. I'm not concerned about people learning about my private life--I'm pretty boring, and while I do regularly break laws, I don't really care--but if someone in power were racist or discriminated against someone because of their sexuality, gender, religion, etc, they could easily use these kinds of powers against them.
I don't think that it'll get too much like in V for Vendetta yet, but if something drastic happens, I can assure you, it's not impossible.

Male, 18-29, Western US
 1115 Posts
Saturday, July 07, 2007 1:48:55 AM
i hate airport security. ive tried to avoid flying but i may have to go visit relatives (i want to see, ha ha ha) so ill have to face it!

Legacy15, the government IS that civilian board you idiot its just that only big party politicians get elected!

oo if the government is perverted they have nothing on me. i don't have sex. finally an upside....

The whole trusted software thing is the worst IMO i dont only want to trust big corporate software. even though I have xp i customized it with no new software to get rid of that. i don't do automatic updates or anything like that. ive had no problems with legitimate software and the few virus attempts ive had have been thwarted by yahoo email (preventive), antivirus, and firefox.

the xp fixes are bs really i think they are spy software not fixes to hacks and whatnot. so dont do them

Male, 30-39, Canada
 2180 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 10:11:25 PM
In a way we are constantly policed because other people have eyes, ears and mouth. There was spies 2000 years ago you know.

Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 761 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 8:53:20 PM
Hahah, kenny, exactly what I was thinking. I was hoping that one of the hanging cameras would start beating on one of the criminals, that would've added some humor. But that's just me.

Male, 13-17, Southern US
 1849 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 8:29:46 PM

Male, 18-29, Western US
 1479 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 8:25:07 PM
If things degenerate further the infrastructure is already there to track and arrest people who’ve done nothing wrong such as exercising their constitutional right to peaceful protest. In fact, that’s already happening. In part, Sec. 802 of the Patriot Act defines Domestic Terrorism as actions that “appear to be intended” to “intimidate or coerce a civilian population” or “influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion”. What else is protesting if not the attempt to spread awareness and change government policy through (ideally peaceful) coercion?

Male, 18-29, Western US
 1479 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 8:24:56 PM
Anyone who doesn’t worry about this because they aren’t a “bad guy”, doesn’t understand what it means to live free and isn’t thinking in the long term. Part of being free is not being watched like a criminal if you haven’t done anything wrong. The US has been toying with the idea if a national ID that would keep track of everyone’s activity and possibly have to be shown when crossing state lines or shopping. You know, sort of like how the Nazi’s use to go around checking papers to make sure you weren’t “one of them”. That’s where the long term comes in. The abuse of surveillance is inevitable.

Female, 40-49, Western US
 2243 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 8:16:39 PM
I'd say YES to it just for the f-ing criminal element but otherwise thats just creepy.

Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 8:05:02 PM
^^ Seriously, someone answer that.

"Ohh, our privacy is being invaded in places that aren't private, since there are other PEOPLE in those places..."

Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 8:03:20 PM
Have a problem with so many cameras in public places?

What are you doing in the first place that requires so much privacy (Given the cameras aren't in bathrooms, changing booths, etc.)?

Male, 18-29, Europe
 122 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 7:28:03 PM
What have you got to worry about if you aren't a bad guy.

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 385 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 6:41:56 PM
Powerful. 4 Stars.

Male, 18-29, Western US
 2558 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 5:26:49 PM
Holy poo guys, we could make this like a hollywood movie.

We will become the rebels with no body armor and crappy weapons, but still manage to topple the robots and the heavily armored security forces, while breaking into the tower where they all are controlled from and shutting down the computer by blowing it up as we all run away and dive into a helicopter in slow motion as the building explodes.

Male, 18-29, Western US
 152 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 5:17:23 PM
*from my pc. The reason this is a problem is that trusted computing is not just a suggestion, its a RESTRICTION. That means that future computers will not be able to run programs that are not 'trusted' if trusted computing were to be effected. Independent programs and freeware would be wiped out due to lack of funds to pay the agency that manages trusted computing to make such a program trusted. Trusted computing is not based on merit, all they want is more money. Just imagine, no Firefox, HA.

Male, 18-29, Western US
 152 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 5:12:58 PM
Ah, yes the classic argument against privacy: If you have nothing to hide then why does it matter?

While the threat of a leak of personal information is real and is used as an objection to try and counter the surveillance argument; the truth is such a leak would most likely never happen.
Also, I do not have anything to hide, and most people do not have anything terribly wrong to hide as well.
What I do have a problem with, and I think is the reason most people would rather such surveillance not be widely effected is that they have a problem with the government having the power to go through our correspondence. This power does not belong in the government's hands.
Also, trusted computing will seriously f#ck up our computing experience. While many people are idiots and would not notice any difference in a trusted computing world many of us who actually know how to use computers would suffer. I KNOW which computer programs to use and which I would like to keep the drat away fro

Male, 13-17, Western US
 296 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 5:08:47 PM
What is so bad about the survelliance? It's not like "OMG, Mr. so and so is cheating on his wife, LETS KILL HIM." And yes, just fyi, I have read 1984. I read it and did an EXTREMELY thorough study on it for one of my classes in HS.

The very fact that you all are allowed to post your negative thoughts on this proves that it isn't what you think! You would not be on the internet if we were being constantly policed!

Male, 18-29, Western US
 481 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 3:55:07 PM
The amount of rhetoric in these comment fields is astonishing.

Male, 13-17, Southern US
 1849 Posts
Friday, July 06, 2007 3:54:45 PM
although i would like to see a v for vendetta type situation. explosians are fun

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