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Hacking Democracy

Hits: 5611 | Rating: (2.4) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: buddy
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randomer
Male, 13-17, Europe
 281 Posts
Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:34:55 PM
I can't be bothered watching something that long.

dominator391
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2 Posts
Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:07:02 PM
Whatched it on HBO last night. Worth the watch if you don't mind gettin pissed. Does it really matter who we vote for anyway? They're all rich, lying, crooked thieves who have no idea what it's like to try to survive with normal paychecks.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3658 Posts
Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:19:06 AM
Yeah, I know. With all the people on here who bitch about George Bush, and express their liberal sentiments toward the voting process, I'm not surprised at all that none of them bothered to watch it. Just guess at the way GB could have 'stolen' the election, without any grasp on the means with which elections might be compromised. Now the democrats won, so I guess they don't care as much. With all the whining I hear from this 13-17 democrat category though, I guess I can't say I'm surprised that they're all talk and no chalk.

kh2ishere
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 63 Posts
Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:10:42 AM
...I'm not THAT bored. No way I'm watching an hour and 20 min doc on politics.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3658 Posts
Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:52:10 AM
The real problem was monopoly. None of these things were tested, nor was there any room for competition BECAUSE of this secrecy. I did use the qualifier of "most," because there are certain things that only a monopoly can accomodate, and in that case the monopoly should be funded by the people. However, the difficulty is in finding out through trial and error which method is preferrable in each given case. In the market, you can always tack-on new regulations, and create more collusion within the government. When STARTING with the a state of (gov't) monopoly, however, there is usually no going back short of wholesale revolution. Remember, it was the public OFFICIALS who BOUGHT the voting systems, and certified their acceptability for use; even after the final blow vis-a-vis memory card trials. Any bumpkin can pitch a faulty product to the public office - it takes an EXCEPTIONAL bumpkin to buy into it, and you only see that kind of incompetence in monopolistic institutions.

IAmTheMoose
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1241 Posts
Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:12:03 AM
I have to disagree with all of you peeps out there saying that the democrats are whiners...

well, i guess we are sometimes...

BUT what you are getting confused is that it is the republicans who spin the truth when public sympathy isnt with them.

EXAMPLE!!! Rush Limbaugh on MJFox. A few years ago, MJFox did a campaign ad for a republican congressman, i think, who supported stemcell research. And now that a democrat had the same argument, they just pretend as if it never happened and that the democrats are evil...

f*cking republicans...


videogamer
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3031 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:00:44 PM
Suicism, your argument is very enthusiastic; however, your solution entails the same kind of control as Enron had over California's power supply. And we all know how badly that went.

Additionally, it was corporate scandal that caused the whole voting problem addressed in this movie. Therefore, corporations of America are not to be trusted in handling these commodities, lest said corporations yield corrupt ethical stances.

Not that I trust the government that much either. I just trust it more than the team that Enron played for.


Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3658 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:35:00 PM
And one more thing.. memory cards are for cameras! This IS sickening!

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3658 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:34:40 PM
but everybody, or only a certain percentage (that does not include the financiers) has the right to use (like the poor). Imagine if all of these programs were just handled by private enterprise; only those institutions which had enough users to be feasible would be established, and then paid for only by those who use them! Hey, you never know; we might even endup with a system runs for PROFIT (black), rather than runs us into the ground with debt (red). Which would you prefer?

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3658 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:49:31 PM
Though in reality, this is something everybody should be whining about. What are these politicians elected for? To decide how to spend our money, and how to restrict our behaviour. Who needs them? There is never a just decision in Democracy reguarding income redistribution, because somebody will always be exploited as a non-consenting and/or non-benefitting financier. Imagine if we had private companies handling (most) everything the government maintains a monopoly over. Then only the people PAYING for the service would get to use it, and vice-versa; the systems/institutions would only be set-up were there willing buyers, and then paid for only by the people who use them! Vs. trying to decide THROUGH VOTES how money should be spent for things only a CERTAIN percentage of the populous will be using/able to use, though ALL of them will be paying for; or vice-versa: that only a percentage pay for (the rich or middle-class, for instance)

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3658 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:44:05 PM
"You makin' a molehill outta a, uh, mountain..."

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

Like Atomic said ^^^, I guess it was the Democrats who stole the election this time! And no, the Republicans won't be whining, because well... they're not Democrats!


justKatrina
Female, 13-17, Southern US
 1201 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:24:41 PM
^^^^^ My guess is no-one will take up to it.

sims2luver
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
 1193 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:01:47 PM
The WHOLE movie!!!

sims2luver
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
 1193 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:01:09 PM
I dare someone to actually watch it.

AtomicSkier9
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1095 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:17:38 PM
There really isn't scandal. I saw this on TV a few days back. Not sure what to think. If there is REALLY a scandal, then why did all of the Democrat win yesterday and Donald Rumsfeld resign today? I bet that the Republicans will now cry saying that the machines were hacked.

Its what America thinks, and will believe. The Americans voted, and as a result the democrats took the House, and most likely the Senate.


Boxtop
Male, 18-29, Western US
 655 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:14:11 PM
"Didn't even click, who on earth is going to watch something on the internet that's over an hour long?"

People who aren't you, apparently.


Boxtop
Male, 18-29, Western US
 655 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:13:13 PM
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:12:10 PM
"Before the wailing and gnashing of teeth begins...did any of you vote?"
I'm not registered to vote, but the only time I'd ever vote for anything is if it involves an issue I find important. Other than that, voting for something when I have no idea what's going on is retarded.

"not watching, too long."

Then shut up, dumbass.


Invalok
Male, 18-29, Western US
 729 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:46:57 PM
We cant vote! DEMOCRACY HAS FAILED!

BRING YOUR VIRGINS INTO THE STREET AND CRY OUT ANARCHY!!

oooh wait... Arnold won the governator... Elections work!


demetri72
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 3 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:37:23 PM
The funny thing is that most who commented didn't even watch it... Watch it make a decision on the rationale. It's a republic (if you can remember that is what we are inteneded to be) piece not a republican or just a democratic issue. In New Orleans it was a republican who had the problems with the machines. The issue is about $$$ as it always is.

samusman
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 58 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:05:34 PM
I watched it. Also, AmyNicoleduh, people with high speed internet can stream it and watch it without having to wait for the full download. I only had to wait three seconds before it started.

AmyNicoleduh
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 1166 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:42:20 AM
Didn't even click, who on earth is going to watch something on the internet that's over an hour long? Can't imagine the loading time. You'd have to be really into voting stuff to do that.

phatzoma
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 319 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:04:13 AM
Hey, you know what? I didn't vote. What good does it do to pick the lesser of two evils? What we really need is a whole new system, one that can't be so easily corrupted. I am sick of hearing how many soldiers are being killed each day. I am sick of seeing political ads every goddamn time I try to watch the TV, as they are nothing more than smear campaigns. I've got people who run this country telling me I can't smoke. And saying it's OK for people to work for $5.15 an hour. Food stamps do not buy gas or diapers. We used to be the land of opportunity, now we are the land of excuses. Well at least Saddam is gonna die, that will solve so many drating problems for us, eh? United States- where the rich get richer, the middle class is almost gone, and the poor- well who gives a damn about them, right?

notapervert
Male, 13-17, Asia
 2598 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:54:56 AM
Fraud in America, hmmm....

Goldfishgal
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 407 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:50:27 AM
not watching, too long.

2bored2think
Female, 18-29, Europe
 131 Posts
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:24:16 AM
I think you missed the bit where it was pointed out that while in some states it is the Democrats who want to ban electronic voting and the Republicans loving it, in some states it is just the other way around.
Might this have something to do with the payments Diebold receives from those states' elected parties?

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