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The Blame Czar

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jtc970
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 346 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:42:44 PM
THis video proves everything, Democratic agenda is smear smear smear, not look out for the american people. They call the war illegal, but yet don't beleive it.
The link provided is a forum for debate
http://www.therantpage.com/forums/index....

KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:41:43 PM
PM me JTC with a forum from which you feel comfortable debating. If you can bring facts, evidence, and logical consistancy then I really have no problem debating someone whose premises of ideology are different from my own. But the problem is you have yet to display such a characteristic.

I really want to see how much someone who enters a thread yelling "un-american", Acusing people of "hating america", only to accuse liberals of running a smear campaign, and continues to make claim after claim without any evidence, can really add to intelligent debate. So PM me jtc970.


KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:32:22 PM
"The sources you mention have proven and some will blatently tell you they are liberal, far left groups."
Why is it when I call upon logical fallacies, it falls on deaf ears. "poisoning the well" look it up. I'll tell you what I told indigo/doppel. It is the information that must be judged, if they provide accurate information then please tell me why it is not acceptable? See you have been convinced that something is incorrect if it provides evidence that is contrary to your personal beliefs. I offer you to look at any example my "liberal" sources have provided faulty information.
"Fact A is wrong because it came from source B" is a faulty way of thinking. If Moore said Fact A then does it change its validity if Limbaugh says Fact A as well. The answer is, has always been, will always be, no!

jtc970
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 346 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:04:09 PM
In America, You must prove someone did something before calling them guilty. Not prove they didn't do it to call them innocent.
The sources you mention have proven and some will blatently tell you they are liberal, far left groups. Just read their site with an open mind, nothing to prove.
I can debate you KnightmareOH, I just have better things to do, and would rather debate you in a place for debate, not IAB.
You have not taken me up on my offer to debate on a forum meant for it, therefore I conclude, that it is you who fears a real debate. Without your mudslinging or insults you have nothing of substance.

KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:26:17 AM
So do me, yourself, and the rest of your fellow Americans a favor, if you cannot debate your arguements with facts or logical proofs, then don't come here (or anywhere) and start talking sh*t about bush being right or liberal media, because your comments are meaningless without proof. and then you force me or another informed person like me to waste my time trying to weasel out of you a single post of evidence or logical claim, so that maybe I can learn where you conservatives learn all of your bush loving tactics.
This is an international forum and its an embarassement to America when your representation makes it seem like our citizens don't have a thought in our head, and will believe anything that is thrown at us. I know that isn't true of our citizens and dispite you (or doppel or BCR or whatever the hell your name is) and others like you dragging us down, I intend not to have our nations intellect dragged in the mud.

KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:17:32 AM
But yes, you will stop responding to my comments, and it has nothing to do with "civility" (if thats what you want to call your behavior). Its because I have done exactly what you cannot, I have taken your comments, found the contradictions and flaws in them and exploited them. That must piss you off, to the point where, just like jtc970, you no longer can debate me.
Look at his comments, theyre funny, and when I call him on his contradictions, all of a sudden, "I wont respond, because your only arguement is... (arguements I never made). go rant somewhere else" whine whine whine. Im beginning to see a pattern.

And yes, I can give a shred of evidence to support my "case." The only thing I said was that Rush limbaugh was a liar, and provided a link with quotes and refutations. Now if you don't believe he didn't "lie", fine. But he still hasn't corrected himself for his comments, which makes him dishonest.


KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:08:28 AM
You keep making claims yet still I see no evidence. Like I said, I want to see your credible sources. I don't buy this "not disputed by both parties" or "just watch TV" bullsh*t. I have never heard any of the alligations you made before. Honestly, it sounds like conspiracy cries and tinfoil theories to me, no better at critical thought then those who claim the Holocaust never happened or a missle hit the pentagon.

If you cant even dictate to me one way in which Media Matters has mislead or lied, then how can you dispute their credibility as a source? And even so, under your logic, you must prove that their lie was made with knowledge that they knew it was a lie. Gee, it seems like anyone can be considered a credible source under your rule book, and yet you seem to actually claim that where I get MY information is somehow flawed. Are we begining to understanding where that isn't logical?


Indigo_M
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 354 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:57:41 AM
I have been nothing but polite to you and you have been nothing but rude to me and the other conservatives here. If you do not show civility, I will stop responding to your comments.

Indigo_M
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 354 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:55:36 AM
About what you said regarding Rush, it is possible to say something that is false yet not a lie. If Rush believed it to be true, but it was wrong, Rush did not lie. He was merely mistaken or perhaps he misspoke. In light of this, I find it ironic that you would ridicule my capacity for logical reasoning.

Indigo_M
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 354 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:52:35 AM
Everything I said can be corroborated with a simple search, a visit to the website that is the authority on the matter, or just by paying attention to news reports from a wide variety of sources. Just the idea that you would present Media Matters as a source is highly destructive to your credibility already. Most of the stuff I mentioned has been all over every news outlet for weeks. You are correct in that I cannot prove that the NSA does what it says it does or the recounts actually showed Bush won because I was not there to record the event. Just the same, you cannot make the same claim. You also have not given a shred of evidence to support your "case". I am only relating what I caught in news reports. I would appreciate it if you would stop with the insults. Your constant attacks on my intelligence only hurt you. All you have to do to see where I got my information is turn on the TV. Most of what I said is not contested by either party.

KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:26:11 AM
If I provide a link that has an MP3 of Rush Limbaugh saying something that actually ended up being false, according to government documentation, then it doesn't matter who did the information gathering as long as the information is accurate. You seem to have a problem with this, so provide a philosophical proof why the source is more important than the information that the source provides. I would have guessed its the other way around but then again, I critically think about things.

Now I find this terribly funny that you actually stated that you have "presented a case". So hear is your chance to actually present a case, in which you provide evidence for what you claim or logical proofs for what you believe. This ought to be entertaining.


KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:17:40 AM
You have yet to provide a single link or documented case of anything you have said.
Saddam had WMDs? evidence?
Bush spies on US to Al-Queda calls? evidence?
Al Franken lied? evidence?
Russia moved Saddams WMDs? evidence?
Bush won in florida recount in every study? evidence?
Britain, France, and Italy's intel matched our own? evidence?
I think you will find that when YOU do some research, you will find very little if anything to corroborate any of what you have said.
I want to see where you get your information.

Are you begining to see where I get the right to insult conservatives intelligence and integrity?
You act like you have access to the truth yet you cannot provide me with anything, outside of conspiracy theories or case examples, of lacking credibility in any of my sources. Earlier I discussed something called "poisoning the well" which is a logical fallacy, which is exactly what you are doing now.


Indigo_M
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 354 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:38:14 PM
KnightmareOH, instead of denouncing others as mentally challenged, perhaps you should do some research, both on news and on the definition of debate. I have presented a case. You have done nothing other than recite fabrications from propagandistic organizations and insult conservatives' intelligence and integrity.

Indigo_M
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 354 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:33:42 PM
Hmm. It seems the text limit is really 991 characters and not the supposed 1000. KnightmareOH, Bush has never been proven to have lied about the Iraq war. Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction, and some of them were found. However, satellite photos showed trucks moving from suspected WMD locations in Iraq to Syria shortly before the invasion. Also, witnesses and spies have reported that Spetsnatz agents conducted an operation around that same time, leading one to believe that Russia moved Saddam's weapons for him. This makes sense, considering the fact that Russia was the one that sold Saddam his weapons. This same pattern is happening with Iran; Russia is helping to build Iran's nuclear facilities and it opposes sanctions against the terrorist-supporting nation. Even if the WMD data was completely false, this still does not mean Bush lied. Bush believed the intelligence. Britain, France, and Italy, who each gathered their own intel, agreed with the U.S.

Indigo_M
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 354 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:20:55 PM
The "mainstream" media is overwhelmingly liberal and it lies by both omission and outright falsehood. The USA Today doctored a photo of Condoleeza Rice to make her look evil. Primetime news networks costed Bush thousands of votes in the 2000 election by saying falsely that the polls were closed. They also say to this day that the U.S. Supreme Court appointed Bush, which is also an outright lie. Florida law allows a set time limit for recounting votes. The Florida Supreme Court more than doubled this time limit so that Gore could count the votes more than he was allowed to, so the U.S. Supreme Court overturned this decision and stopped the recount. All studies of all possible ways of counting votes still show Bush as the victor. Another lie: The NSA spies on random American citizens. The NSA actually spies on those U.S. citizens whose telephones have dialed or been dialed by phones confiscated from Al-Qaeda members......Lies like these are told and repeated by the med

Indigo_M
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 354 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:11:39 PM
Media Matters, like moveon.org, is a liberal propaganda machine that has proven itself to be completely opposed to the truth. Al Franken is the most ironic liberal I have seen in a while. He writes books with titles calling people liars when he himself lies and misleads constantly. He is also very cruel in his "humor" and he has an anger management problem. KnightmareOH apparently has no idea how to identify a credible news source. I just go with the ones that have not been proven to be blatantly dishonest.

Indigo_M
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 354 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:03:40 PM
KnightmareOH, you are not debating. You are insulting. Democrats like you cannot see a difference, but there is one. You have not made one point so far. You seem to think debating consists entirely of insulting your opponent's intelligence. Stop with the hypocrisy for at least your own sake.

jtc970
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 346 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:02:40 PM
I'm not going to argue with you on IAB. Especially since your only argument is
Rush is fat, Conservatives have low IQ's, and you have seen into my soul and know where I stand, "Conservative in denial"
Feel free to make your world the way you want. If you want to call someone Big and fat, and tell me I have a low I.Q. feel free..I hope it makes you feel better.
If you want to have a worthwhile rant about your beleifs visit therantpage.com, you may learn that you have been mislead by the very people you have been told to trust.

Its not this one post that is disrespectful. IT is the mass quantities of anti-bush propaganda and the lack of any links from the other side.
I know they have been submitted.. but somehow never make the cut..even though some seriously crappy stuff gets approved, as long as Bush is getting punched,insulted,thrown around, dancing, misquoted, cut and pasted or hated


KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:40:30 PM
(I love debating circles around you conservatives, you guys are walking contradictions) lol

KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:40:10 PM
Okay, You have me convinced you must be mentally challenged. If this is some sort of incidious plan where you will pop up with a well-reasoned, well-supported argument and completely through me off guard, then you better get to it.

Cause I cant imagine anyone with a measurable IQ actually believes that democrats, alone, are guilty of having a "personal agenda to smear anyone that does not agree with them."
In addition, a well reasoned human probably would not make a comment about my words speaking for themselves, because that falls under the "no sh*t" category of language comprehension.
So my 30-39 year old conservative-in-denial please prove to me that you are not as moronic as you have made yourself out to be. Like this: If Buddy's czar link is "disrespectful" to american voters, yet american voters disaprove of Bush. Then doesn't that mean american voters are somehow anti-selves?


jtc970
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 346 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:46:33 PM
roflmao, I'll let your words speak for themselves.
BTW, I am not a conservative. I voted for democrats and republicans, these last few years democrats have shown me nothing but a personal agenda to smear anyone that does not agree with them. That is not good for America or it's people.
The young 18-29 year old voters might think it's the norm though.

KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:44:07 PM
called "poisoning the well" (i don't assume you know what that means, but it means your dumb if you do so). http://www.rushlimbaughonline.com/articl...

"shutit" Spoken like a true conservative, without a brain.


KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:41:38 PM
Oh jtc970, why do you hate america so much? After all, more (54%) americans disapprove of bush's job performance. http://pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
More Americans disapprove of the handling of Iraq, (50% vs 47%)http://pollingreport.com/iraq.htm. thus by supporting bush and Iraq you do nothing but disrespect the American voters. Why is it you have such hatred for this country and its people?

About Rush Limbaugh's lies:
I understand if you don't read books, they are complicated with all those words and such, it must hurt your head everytime you look at something that is bigger than a paragraph. "Rush limbaugh is a big fat idiot" is actually researched, unlike anything you see on TV. But here is a link that contains many of Limbaughs lies on a single subject. Now discrediting something because it is a liberal link is a logical fallacy


jtc970
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 346 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:39:51 AM
"Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot"
The epitimy of liberal propaganda, always beginning with personal bashing, and as we see, sometimes making it into the title itself.
Pointing out articles a 2nd grader could have titled and probably wrote will prove nothing.
so....
Unless you want to provide evidence supporting your claims....

shuttit


KnightmareOH
Male, 18-29, Western US
 288 Posts
Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:39:04 AM
"Rush never lies on his program"

I laughed so hard when I read that. You need to read "Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot", "The way things aren't", or look at "media matters" website. But I already know what you are going to say: "These are just facts and they are getting in the way of me believing what ever I want."

Oh and bush did lie about the war. He made a multitude of claims that went against intelligence gathered at the time, so stop with the "bush told us nothing but the truth," your stupidity hurts my eyes.
Unless you want to provide evidence supporting your claims, any of your claims, actually.


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