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Profiles in liberal hypocrisy

Hits: 3878 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: buddy
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S_J_W
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1479 Posts
Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:59:34 AM
I don’t know…. There are other kinds that are fairly gratifying… At least with this type you won’t get fired and arrested for doing it at the office.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:07:12 AM
Though, considering the alternative, this is probably the more PREFERRED form of masturbation that could be taking place in front of a computer screen...

S_J_W
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1479 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 6:49:08 PM
Horray for http://www.factcheck.org/!

In any case, this is all just intellectual masturbation. Our ranting will not affect anything one way or another. Particularly when you realize that politicians will do whatever the hell they feel like anyways as long as all the right people are kept happy.


jcrone21
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 15 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 6:08:32 PM
Then you might say there is a possibility that if the company went bankrupt it would be unable to make the deferred payments. That raises the theoretical possibility of a conflict of interest -- if the public interest somehow demanded that Cheney take action that would hurt Halliburton it could conceivably end up costing him money personally. So to insulate himself from that possible conflict, Cheney purchased an insurance policy (which cost him$14,903) that promises to pay him all the deferred compensation that Halliburton owes him even if the company goes bust and refuses to pay. The policy does contain escape clauses allowing the insurance company to refuse payment in the unlikely events that Cheney files a claim resulting "directly or indirectly" from a change in law or regulation, or from a "prepackaged" bankruptcy in which creditors agree on terms prior to filing. But otherwise it ensures Cheney will get what Halliburton owes him should it go under.
Everyb

jcrone21
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 15 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 6:06:25 PM
Okay, I will concede that he got $398,548 in office as part of his deferral if you concede that that money was actually made by him in 2000 (before he was elected VP), and therefore did not create a conflict of interest. Also, legally, Halliburton can't increase or reduce the amount of the deferred compensation no matter what Cheney does as vice president. So Cheney's deferred payments from Halliburton wouldn't increase no matter how much money the company makes, or how many government contracts it receives.

S_J_W
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1479 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 5:50:09 PM
"he doesn't get that back pay you mentioned in your last statement"

According to this elective deferral form drafted in 1998, he decided to have his pay spread out over five years.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/E...

He did in fact continue to draw paychecks once in office. Admittedly, the amount he pulled while in office was relatively small ($398,548) the fact remains that it happened.


jcrone21
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 15 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 5:34:18 PM
Mooseyfate, please tell me you are not the future of our country. Don't worry--you're only 14. You'll figure things out soon enough....

MandyBee
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 80 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 5:33:51 PM
Posting political things actually helps us use our mind when we are bored. I enjoy the thought provoking side of life. P.S. jcrone your my new best friend!

mooseyfate
Male, 13-17, Southern US
 877 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 5:31:06 PM
why must we post political things?

jcrone21
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 15 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 5:30:51 PM
S J W: Correct me if I'm wrong, but you said "My problem is that our vice president continued to draw compensation from them after taking office presenting a conflict of interest, particularly in wartime." I gave you the whole story of what he has done with the stock he held, along with the fact that he doesn't get that back pay you mentioned in your last statement. He has signed that over. He is now legally unable to collect that money himself. And while it is true that the President and VP are both "exempted [sic]" from federal conflict-of-interest laws, it becomes easy to deal with an official who decides to use his powers for his own good--don't vote for them (except for federal judges who have their roles for life if so chosen--still trying to figure a way around that).

jcrone21
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 15 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 5:23:03 PM
Okay, thecranberry. How about this: Al Franken is wrong. He has generally taken a page from the Michael Moore book of how to lie to the general public, but do so in a way that makes you look thought-provoking and corrageous instead of malicious and self-serving. Wonderful thing the liberal media is. If you agree with their agenda, they won't call you on the BS you spout. They will take every chance they get to promote your failing news program or "non-fiction" books, though. The good news is, his radio program will be off the air very soon due to no funding support, and Americans are starting to realize how biased most news organizations are.

S_J_W
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1479 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 5:22:02 PM
jcrone21, Go back and read what I said. Did I accuse Cheney of holding stock himself? No, I said that he drew compensation. Way to selectively read, nimrod.

The compensation I was talking about was his deferred salary that he continued to pull after taking office. The main interest is that if Halliburton goes broke, he can’t get his back-pay. Look, this is all futile considering that for some reason, both the President and Vice President are specifically exempted from federal conflict-of-interest laws (along with Congress and federal judges).

thecranberry
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 728 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 5:02:37 PM
i dont give a crap about any of them except al franken. I read his books because they are funny and politally informing. the sad thing is thats all they can do to him. they cant say hes wrong, cause hes not. all they can do is go...well...you didnt hire any black people! i'd like to know how many of these people franken actually hired, and how many of them simply worked for him. i say there is too much animosity between liberals and conservatives. lets all just agree: people in politics almost always suck alot. and they lie alot too.

jcrone21
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 15 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 4:05:08 PM
S J W, you may want to heed your own advice. Don't believe everything you hear or read through pinko-liberal media outlets. You're talking about Cheney and Halliburton? Cheney sold all of his Halliburton stock when he was running for VP (he hadn't even been elected yet). He wasn't even legally held to sell the stock, but he didn't want people (like yourself) to believe in some sort of conflict of interest. And, yes, he is still entitled to bonuses due to his old job at Halliburton. Guess what! He's signed away those bonuses to charitable organizations. Cheney has worked on the board of a few of these organizations, and he has made the same accomodations in those situations as well. Try to get your facts straight before you impose your violent case of logorrhea on the rest of us.

bobbyo
Male, 18-29, Western US
 319 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 2:51:47 PM
Moore buys stock in companies to give him the right to attend annual stockholders meetings. Then he takes his cameras and tries to interview the CEO's and Board members.

TabooPoison
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 1096 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 1:41:35 PM
kind of depressing, isn't it?

ninja_mut
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 188 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 12:54:41 PM
S_J_W makes some valid points

MandyBee
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 80 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 10:26:45 AM
None of this surprises me. I would hope that even the libearls had the brains not to believe Michael Moore.

MoondustWolf
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 415 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 9:25:47 AM
Y'know, the cover reminds me of one of those sh*t tabloid magazines. How odd...

S_J_W
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1479 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 8:00:06 AM
Hey, you know how often people believe everything guys like Moore or Limbaugh say. This is a country of talking heads and captive ears. People feel like they don’t have the time to think things through for themselves so they let media personalities and random websites do it for them. For instance, a lot of people will latch onto that statement of how in the past 15 years of all the people Al Franken has hires fewer than 1% have been African-American without keeping other factors in mind. We have no idea how many of the applicants were actually black and of them, how many were as qualified as the person who got the job. We are not told the races of those who got the jobs and are then lead to picture them as white since all we know is they weren’t black. We also have no idea how many people he has hired in the past 15 years. Personally, when I was once in the position to hire writers for a web site, 25% of the people I hired were black. It looks good but I only hired four pe

thebsr
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4185 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 6:38:04 AM
On 11/7/2005 4:52:52 AM S_J_W wrote: By the way, I want to remind everyone not to take Moore or his right wing counterparts too seriously. If we can’t trust journalists to be objective, we certainly can’t fully trust guys with chips on their shoulders. Especially since everyone is in the game for money.

Thanks for the reminder

b3ach_bum
Male, 18-29, Western US
 222 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 6:15:10 AM
Blah blah blah. Nobody cares.

S_J_W
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1479 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 4:52:52 AM
By the way, I want to remind everyone not to take Moore or his right wing counterparts too seriously. If we can’t trust journalists to be objective, we certainly can’t fully trust guys with chips on their shoulders. Especially since everyone is in the game for money.

S_J_W
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1479 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 4:51:42 AM
I actually find it satisfying that Moore has owned Halliburton stock too. You see, the problem that I have with the company isn’t really the function they serve. There will always be corporations like them. My problem is that our vice president continued to draw compensation from them after taking office presenting a conflict of interest, particularly in wartime. On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with a private citizen exploiting a company’s success. Consider the following, Moore made some money through investing in Halliburton right? What does an independent film maker spend his money on? Making films. In Moore’s case, he has spent his money, some of which came from Halliburton, to defame them and the administration they are currently tied to. In a sense, they paid him to smear them.

cnlbell
Female, 18-29, Western US
 417 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2005 4:49:54 AM
How about Michael Moore, fat bastard that he is, with stock in MacDonalds. I find that hilarious.

Not surprised by any of it. Liberals screetch and holler that conservatives are narrow minded and should allow people to believe and say whatever they want, yet, isn't that being narrow minded and not allowing conservatives to say and believe what they want... hm. I always found that annoying. I like the statement, "Don't be so open minded your brains fall out." lol


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