Wednesday, April 2, 2014 9:07:03 PM
@thubanstar: Um, WHO do you think owns the "green" companies making billions off the AGW scare? The same people who own the OIL companies! You think they're idiots? They KNOW how to make money, they`ve been doing it for decades! They aren`t "oil" companies, they supply "energy" and it really doesn`t matter what kind, as long as it makes a profit.
There will ALWAYS be demand for oil, gasoline and natural gas, PERIOD. Unless Star Trek type technology is discovered? It`s here to stay.
Meanwhile, the POOR pay the RICH who make huge profits selling "green energy" which might actually be WORSE for the environment... great idea bro!
Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:24:50 PM
People... listen up.
We can debate all we want on the climate. But, consider this. Who has to gain by telling us all it's "natural"? Big oil. Who has to gain by asking boats and cars and factories to clean up their act and let us have cleaner air and water and land? WE ALL DO. If someone is trying to make deadly gasses LESS, perhaps you should either 1. agree that this is a good thing, or 2. Go live in China and breathe the air that`s killing people over there.
"...what would motivate someone to lie about climate change?"
Ask those that have been caught lying about it repeatedly. I would suggest money, career advancement, acclaim, prominent positions, authority, governments listening ...
Then there is noble cause corruption which we know has happened and confirmation bias. They think they are right, so they only see what confirms this. Then they break the rules of science because they think their cause is just and important. They refuse to share data for others to check their work, they hide the decline, corrupt peer review, they unilaterally declare the science settled.
No-one says global warming is a hoax. The planet warmed from the late 1970s to the late 1990s. It warmed at the same rate as previous warming in the early 20th century which cannot have been caused by CO2. The hoax is that the models work, so can be used to identify the cause. They do not.
Wednesday, April 2, 2014 3:44:29 PM
Pretty much propaganda, as tsiemens says.
Draculya needs to visit the real world occasionally if he thinks that good, cheap healthcare is easy or that commercial interests are more of a problem than government regulation.
As for 4, warming is a fact, nothing else on that slide. Its impact so far is negligible, future impact recently estimated by the alarmist IPCC as 0.2% to 2% GDP. How can warming at natural rates cause a travesty?
We were not driving cars in 1700! We did not release enough CO2 to matter until the 1940s, but the Earth has been warming since the mid 17th century so they had to imply that our influence started far earlier.
A particularly bare-faced lie is that each decade has been warmer. Note it is the way people try to hide the current pause in warming, by only looking decade by decade.