Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:04:39 PM
@Madduck hence why I suggested you look at the charities working in the Netherlands and Germany. I see nothing wrong with it. And until I studied it and researched it agreed with you. It is not a moral issue that prostitution is wrong, that's the wrong argument. It`s a least harm issue.
But two points. Would you say IPA and Guinees type Stouts are the same? they`re both alcoholic beverages but very very different, one can`t properly replace the other. regulating ingredients for one would not work for the other. Same with middle class prostitution and lower class prostitution. Second, would you accept that point from investment bankers? They`re the experts and we should do what they say?
Why im saying the law is pretty good (in the uk at least) we just need better enforcement against pimps, brothels etc But it`s easier said then done without the people being harmed giving evidence.
Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:44:23 AM
I don't claim to know the answers, although I wish I did, BUT- some problems may not actually be sortable. Others I am quite sure will be.. but quite often (although not always) we have to detach ourselves from any distaste we have and be extremely objective. Some things- prostitution, drugs, sexual violence to name a few, are so tied in with moral arguments that don`t logically work that they get very messy. Some of this may be religious throwback, other reasons no doubt apply too, but whatever- we need to look at the desired aim- safety and choice for women, and see how we can go about achieving it. In this case it is not easy- but I reckon we can go a very long way. but we need to ask those who do the work what they think- it is, after all, their job.
Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:22:31 AM
@Madduck Check this out prostitution of teens in Britian The police and social services know what is going on. But are largely unable to do anything about it. Even though pimping and everything else except being a prostitute is illegal. Now make it so it's all legal and the police and social services will have in even less ability to do something. At least now if they are able to catch it happening they can intervene, where as they won`t be able to once it`s legalised they`ll need someone giving evidence which the girls feel trapped or scared and won`t do it.
And I repeat the online escorts and middle class women doing it. Like your friends. Are not by and large being harassed by the police or being arrested. Yet they will benefit out of it.
Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:14:55 AM
@Madduck you can't stop it. Tobacco is legal doesn`t stop there being tons of smuggled tobacco of lower quality. For every market a sub market grows. It`s not just tourism that increases the scale. By legalising it, you remove some pretty major costs(STI chance, prison, etc). So the gains to cost ratio is bigger, more native people go. Check out the work of charities in Amsterdam and Germany to down with the harm its causing and then contrast it with what happened in Sweden. Countries that took two different directions around the same time. The Dutch Gov. doesn`t want to do much because it`s 5% of GDP.
I fully accept a women wants to sell her body her choice. And that regulating it does decrease it as a proportion. But the market just gets soo big more women are trafficked to meet demand. Evidence is there. Your answer? More regulation=more cost=more black market cheaper unregulated prostitution.
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Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:59:59 AM
I suspect the scale effect can be dealt with, I am not entirely sure how but there will be a way. Get the industry legalised, get a protective framework for the workers with safe conditions- ask THEM, they are the experts here. as with virtually everything- prohibition simply makes things worse- I have a suspicion that by making something legal in one small place you get the tourism effect in play- widen the field and that goes..