Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:16:48 AM
On a personal level, I would say that you seem to be a very cool guy with a particularly healthy religious view. I'm enjoying talking to you! Hopefully I`ll catch you the next time this topic rolls around.
Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:15:15 AM
"I would ask that you not even judge Christianity by my actions, but by the teachings of the Dying Messiah."
That's exactly what I try to do, to varying degrees of success. I judge you on how you act, and I judge the ideas of your religion on their merits alone.
Does this help to explain why I don`t see CrakrJak`s charitable deeds as being part of my judgement of Christianity as an idea, nor do I see Christianity the idea as being part of my judgement of your actions? Christianity is not a good idea because Christians are good people, and Christians are not good people because Christianity is a good idea.
I find too many problems seem to stem from being unable to disentangle the idea from the person. McGovern1981, for example, seems unable to recognise that Dawkins and atheism are seperate things, and that the merits and failings of one are largely unrelated to the other.
If judged on each of our actions, we will always be judged unworthy. But, for an outsider, I would ask that you not even judge Christianity by my actions, but by the teachings of the Dying Messiah.
I could never hold myself up as a good example, but I can tell you who I respect and who I try to emulate - and why.
So, I do completely agree that I cannot rest my laurels on the virtues of others. I should, though, be able to use them to explain what changes I am trying to make within my life - with the help of God.
Wednesday, February 12, 2014 4:47:18 PM
"but by the same token we can all agree that WBC does not behave in actions that one would typically associate with the teachings of Christ."
Absolutely agreed. Can you agree that, if your detractors cannot use the WBC's actions in an argument against your beliefs, your supporters cannot use other Christian`s actions in support of your beliefs, and your beliefs and your actions must stand on their own merit alone?
"a) The verse is taken out of context in attempt to portray an inaccurate view on a Faith"
I absolutely agree. At no point have I expressed any support for that billboard and what it`s trying to do.
"b) On an overall level, the Christians of IAB are not bad apples?"
Also agreed. I wouldn`t hang around and debate with them if they weren`t generally pleasant to do this with.