Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:08:33 AM
@ OldOllie: My point is that, assuming your goal was to have a productive dialogue and maybe win over some minds to your point of view, you'd have done better to ask Lauriloo to clarify what she was saying and ask her why she felt that way rather than call her a bigot. People misstate things and are misinterpreted all the time.
And just to be clear, all this stuff is just me chatting out of my own interest in debate; I`m not writing in any moderator capacity here. Your calling her a bigot wasn`t any official problem; rudeness is allowed. (But not abuse, which is where another IABer in the same thread got in trouble.)
I`m just saying as a friend that when you go for the jugular as you did, the person you`re chatting with no longer listens to what you`re saying and fights you every inch of the way--if they keep exchanging ideas with you at all. Per Ben Franklin, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Friday, February 7, 2014 10:02:06 PM
S4S, I get your point. I should have chosen a different term to insult that particular fat ugly violent idiot f***tard whore who, BTW, also happened to be black. I realize that blacks are a privileged class who are immune from the same kind of derogatory racial terms that they CONSTANTLY throw at us, e.g., honky, cracker, redneck, whitey, etc.
That doesn't change the fact that LL made a CLEARLY UNAMBIGUOUS bigoted remark about an ENTIRE GROUP of people when she said, "...I`m worried about the mostly lower class white guys..."
Seriously, had I said "I`m worried about mostly lower-class black guys being allowed to own guns," that would that have been acceptable, but using a politically incorrect term to insult a fat ugly violent idiot f***tard whore who, BTW, just happens to be black, is off limits?
*Pavement Ape* is a racist slur usually used to insult a large demographic. Most people using that expression harbor racist views; for that reason, people who are not bigots tend to avoid the term.
That said, I DON'T think you`re a bigot. (Crotchety? Yes. Smart and funny? Yes. Possessing zero tolerance for fools? Yes.) Nor was the main point of my post to criticize your "Pavement Ape" remark. The point I was making was that when you made that remark, I didn`t get in your grill and call you a bigot. Nor did the person who called you out on your unfortunate choice of words. Rather, he wrote, "When you say things like that, Ollie, you sound...."
I`m simply suggesting that you might want to give others the same benefit of the doubt as you were given. Not only will it make you a better debater, it just might make you a bit less crotchety.
Friday, February 7, 2014 7:54:43 PM
@normalfreak2 Let me try to explain this using only small words. If one person deserves to be insulted, it's okay to insult that person. But, it`s NOT okay to insult an entire group if there are people in that group who do NOT deserve to be insulted.
So, to recap:
It is okay to insult people who deserve to be insulted.
It is NOT okay to insult people who do NOT deserve to be insulted.
Why is that so f***ing hard for you to understand?