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Gun journalist silenced for being reasonable.

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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Tuesday, January 7, 2014 5:11:00 PM
And in response I cited the Waco siege as an example of what happens when civilian arms go up against government weapons...and that wasn't even the military. It was civilian law-enforcement.


Except that was a small group of people that molested children that no one supported......

[quote]I do remember, and I had plenty to say: you referenced a whole bunch of countries and situations that differed from the US by one crucial factor: the US spends a metric f**kton on their military, putting them in a whole different league, and totally out of the range of what well-meaning civilians with rifles could hope to touch.[/quote]

Since when has a revolution been the military siding with one side completely? Never happened keep lying to yourself to support the fallacy. BTW the whole Switzerland arming it`s civilians AKA milita and it`s track record during WW2 might show you there`s something you`re ignoring.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2829 Posts
Tuesday, January 7, 2014 4:15:40 PM
@McGovern1981

In short, a gun won't save you from the government. But other things will.

A gun might save you from a criminal, or a bear, and those are legitimate reasons to want a weapon. I accept those reasons.

Our only difference is that I question whether the cure is worse than the disease; that having a gun defends against one risk by exposing oneself to an even greater risk.

THAT we can debate about. But we need to put to rest the debate about guns being a tool against oppression; because they just aren`t.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2829 Posts
Tuesday, January 7, 2014 4:12:56 PM
McGovern1981

"Remember when I gave you a ton of examples of when that's exactly what happened and you had nothing to say? Shall I again?"

I do remember, and I had plenty to say: you referenced a whole bunch of countries and situations that differed from the US by one crucial factor: the US spends a metric f**kton on their military, putting them in a whole different league, and totally out of the range of what well-meaning civilians with rifles could hope to touch.

Sticks and stones against the lightning.

And in response I cited the Waco siege as an example of what happens when civilian arms go up against government weapons...and that wasn`t even the military. It was civilian law-enforcement.

It didn`t work out well for the civilians.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2829 Posts
Tuesday, January 7, 2014 4:09:20 PM
@DromEd

"And no, we're screwed with ou(r) pistols and rifles if the US military is turned against us. So you suggest we be even MORE screwed if that were to happen. Thanks a lot mate! Personally I don`t see the US military ever doing that no matter who gave the order."

Our views match: if the US military doesn`t side with the government, then the tyranny won`t succeed. And if they do side with the government, civilian arms won`t be able to stop them.

Either way, the presence of civilian arms has very little effect on preserving freedom against tyranny.

There are many good and reasonable justifications for civilian arms, such as self-defence, etc, and there are good discussions to be had about the costs/benefits of those justifications. But having the debate always turn to civilian arms being about preserving freedom is just rot.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Tuesday, January 7, 2014 1:52:14 PM
However the members of the militia are not licensed gun owners though they are included in the gun owner statistics....


I'm not seeing this discrepancy no real milita numbers there. If you get to bring a gun to your home as a milita member licensed or not they consider you responsible for it right? That would pretty much mean you own it then huh.

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