Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:32:16 PM
Musuko42-"That's the kind of undercutting that lead to unions and the like to stop it."
Yes, let`s make the workplace infinitely worse by introducing unions into it.
Musuko42-"Undercutting your fellow worker is bad for all workers in the long run."
1) it`s a fact that you`re not going to be able to change. 2) it`s not bad, due to the fact that those `various reasons` are perfectly viable reasons. (such as, just want a job to pick up a little extra money, want to work part time while kids are in school,etc)
Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:31:59 PM
Musuko42- "1: there aren't enough places on the top of the ladder for everyone. " "2: we`re always going to need people at the bottom of the ladder. "
& 3: with a little effort you can work you way up a few rungs. & 4: with a lot of effort you can make it up quite a lot of the rungs.
Musuko42="Show me a company where there`s a 1:1 ratio of workers and managers/executives"
If I did that, I`d be showing you a failed company. The point you`re avoiding is that you can actually be quite successful as a worker, also. I`m not in management, but neither am I pushing a mop (although some people make good money pushing mops). I`m in a position I created for myself.
Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:30:45 PM
Musuko42-"could be making sure that ALL jobs are worthwhile and fulfilling"
Because there are some jobs that are just not fulfilling.
Musuko42-"can pay well if you work hard at it?"
See, now you're discriminating on those that don`t want to work hard.
Musuko42-"No, that`s not true at all."
Actually, it`s more often true than it`s not. The only people who are stuck with minimum wage is; 1) unskilled labor just entering entry-level jobs for the experience & 2) unskilled label that are still stuck in entry-level jobs because they remain unskilled. (this does not count wait staff who, while technically are paid less than min wage, if they`re any good actually make much more than minimum wage).
Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:30:21 PM
Musuko42-"if you had won that competition"
Correction: "Earned that advancement".
Musuko42-"every other employee there loses out"
BS, by that time 95% of the employees would have moved on to better jobs. Pizza delivery is not a freakin career.
I was paid more than minimum wage because I put in more effort. Other workeers ALSO made more than minimum wage for thier effort. Quite a few were only paid minimum wage only because it was against the law to pay them less.
Those that put in the effort, made more. Those that were just biding their time, didn't. Not counting the existing managers, you turn over the entire crew in a year or two. Everyone who wanted to went on to better jobs. The couple that were still there were because they didn`t want to put the effort into developing their workskills.
Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:16:25 PM
I think it is sad that in America today success is considered a sign of poor character... like every successful business, every successful business owner is just sitting on a massive pile of cash and their just big meanies who won't share.