Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:56:35 PM
@5cats, "No, not even close. Unless I was SPECIFICALLY criticizing Obama's opinions on Hitler? You `logic fail` = epic!"
That would be a great point if I had been directly criticizing your opinions on Obama, but I wasn`t. That`s just you trying to project your fight with liberals onto me. I have no interest in your fight, just with HOW you choose to fight it.
Personally, I find all the posturing and fear-mongering to be rather played out, and I think the American public as a whole is getting sick of it too. The polls seem to be supporting that hypothesis, but I`m sure you`ll just disregard them as biased by the liberal media.
Wednesday, October 9, 2013 9:48:33 AM
PS: And sometimes, you'll find the person you`re debating can be reasonable too.
For example, I`ve bowed out of this conversation, because I realised that the American method of funding its laws and deciding its budget was so wholly alien to me in ways that I didn`t anticipate that I wasn`t equipped to properly make a personal judgement on the situation or who was right or wrong (beyond a general air of "Jeeeeez, that`s messed up", which doesn`t help anyone).
Others are no doubt the same. Can you try to go into debates without assuming the other side will be shouty and emotional and irrational, and try not to be the same yourself?
I'm not going to claim that the "other side" are innocent of this. They`re not. Hell, I`ll freely admit that I do it too. So please don`t think I`m solely accusing you two.
Neither of you hold particularly extreme opinions. But you *do* often deliver those opinions with the same rhetoric and tone as the extremists. At least, that`s how it often appears.
It`s up to you how you deal with that. You`re free to continue as you are. But, personally, I think you`d get a lot further in getting people to understand your views if you used the more civil methods.
And no, it`s not about the beliefs. At least, not from my perspective. Sometimes, I manage to catch you or CrakrJak on a good day and you are both pleasantly agreeable to debate with, and though I often (but not always) agree with your perspective, I do get to understand it better.
And on other days, you fire up your emotions and engage in unhelpful tactics, both for the rest of us (we get annoyed) and for yourselves (you damage any chance of convincing us to your way of thinking).