Monday, September 23, 2013 7:27:13 PM
The heavier products like asphalt and gear oil, that aren't burned, also contain the most carbon, as Musuko pointed out.
Squrlz: "That is very much a secondary issue, which I don`t want to be distracted by."
Of course you don`t, because that would completely destroy the "green" argument that oil is evil, bad, dirty, yucky, etc... in comparison.
CO2 is not evil, it`s not unnatural, we breathe it out when we exhale, plants NEED CO2 to grow, algae NEEDS CO2 to produce O2. And because we live on earth, we have a carbon photosynthesis cycle that balances itself out. More CO2 means more plant growth. That in turn means more food, more oxygen and more rain.
"Let`s first decide as a society whether we`re going to listen to the scientists` warnings about AGW or not."
Let`s hope not, it`s the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the likes of mankind and is leading us back into an elitist/peasant era of society.
Monday, September 23, 2013 7:10:15 PM
Musuko: "...just because you disagree with the methods used to tackle the problem, it doesn't mean the problem doesn`t exist and shouldn`t be tackled."
Solving one disputed "problem" by creating even worse problems is not something that should be tackled, it should be avoided until a there is a cleaner way.
Squrlz: What you still don`t get is there is a lot of free floating carbon, and other things, in crude oil. Of course 85% is carbon by weight, but that`s because carbon is a much heavier atom than hydrogen. Also there are a lot of crude oil products that are not burned. Grease, heavy oil, asphalt, etc...
"Assuming that all the carbon in that barrel of oil will form CO2"
That`s an incorrect asumption, not only because it`s not all burned, but because even when it is it doesn`t all bond with oxygen. Some of it just becomes soot/graphite. Alkanes, methyls, ethyls and compounds like ammonia are used for purposes.
Monday, September 23, 2013 6:04:16 PM
@Squrlz4: Fair enough! Establishing the (non) existence of AGW is indeed very different from "alternate energies" that's true.
However: From "our side" we say: "Even if AGW is true? WHAT can we DO about it?" The answer comes back: Not a Damn thing!
Well? I have YET to hear a sane answer. "Return to the stone age" just isn`t... practical.
I have a TERRIFIC analogy about "Ocean Warming" and Pee... but it`s really wordy! It takes a while to get the `subtleness` across of equating AGW and Pee... the `IPPP` - the International Panel on Pee Prevention... it takes time!! So many words... so very subtle...
Did you know when you pee into the ocean? The ocean warms up? It`s a FACT! Global Ocean Warming (GOW) must be stopped! (Not kidding! It really does warm up!)