Sunday, August 11, 2013 2:49:30 PM
Meanwhile, Obama not only extends this Patriot act, but enhances it greatly. But it's suddenly not a big deal because Obama is cool. It`s really Bush`s fault.
Same thing with the Middle East. We are just as entangled as ever. Obama surged Afghanistan, his "good war", with 100k additional troops. A majority of the deaths were under him. But it`s still no big deal because Obama`s cool. No mention that his Afghan strategy shift is a failure.
And then there`s Libya, a war that went around Congress. That`s a really big deal.
And then there is the probable arming of Syrian rebels without anyone`s consent. That`s probably what the dozens of cia agents were doing at Benghazi.
Drone strikes. Everywhere. But you see, Obama`s cool. So it`s all good. I mean, I don`t totally agree with it, but his heart is in the right place, right? He`s doing his best!
Sunday, August 11, 2013 2:44:24 PM
Sleepyhallow - look at my age. I was 11 for 9/11 and 12 for Iraq. It's so weird to hold a child accountable for their views at the time (of which I barely had). Yet I do remember the environment at the time, my dad was in the AF so it all affected me. Colin Powell and Bush did push these things, yes.
But guess what? Congress has the war powers. I just listed the 98 or so people in the Senate who voted for the Patriot Act. Bipartisan. And what about Hillary, Biden, Kerry, and a whole array of Dems (and Reps) who voted for Iraq? Bipartisan.
There is no excuse, they are not victims for their votes. It was their vote and they have to live with it. Your whole argument hinges on Bush and Powell intentionally lying. Did they? Or was it bad intelligence? There is more evidence to the latter, quite frankly.
Sunday, August 11, 2013 6:40:51 AM
Hey @SleepyHallow: How did the Senate & Congress vote when Obama invaded Libya? OH RIGHT! He never even ASKED them! In direct violation of the US Constitution, of course.
Go ahead: Bash Bush some more! The talk about "facts"... hypocrite.
Sunday, August 11, 2013 12:29:33 AM
Andrew ~ And do you also remember the lies the were told to congress and the American people at the time, and *who* told those lies, to get such overwhelming support?
How conveniently you "forget" the salient facts when it suits you.