Friday, August 2, 2013 10:29:37 PM
Professor, I'm going to respond to you first because your response was actually lucid and germane to the conversation.
Could it be that there are a disproportionate number of black people living in high crime areas, such as urban areas? Could that be the result of white flight starting in the late 40`s? In turn a result of minorities coming to urban centers for war-time work? In turn a result of poverty and prejudice? Well it`s interesting, `cause like Andrew pointed out, when blacks in America were enduring FAR more overt oppression from the white population, we didn`t see these types of statistics. The stereotypes were there, for SURE, but they ironically outweighed the actual truth. Now the reality seems to be disproportionately reversed. I can tell you as a white person we are raised to believe in diversity (while simultaneously reminded that race doesn`t exist somehow..) yet what we see with our own eyes contradicts any tendency toward equal behavior.
Friday, August 2, 2013 10:26:54 PM
Now, to examine the propositions you advanced: Let's ask ourselves, WHY should urban areas be considered high-crime in the first place? Is that just a foregone conclusion? You know, Carl Sagan grew up in Brooklyn - South Central used to be a fine place to live. For you to cite white-flight as a possible catalyst for the degradation of urban centers - aside from blaming the victim, isn`t that kind of like defeating the very argument you`re trying to make, which is that culture is to blame and shouldn`t be anchored to race? I would agree with you on that point (like the idea that studying hard [a cultural trait] or practicing monogamy makes you too "white" or something), but seriously, what - did a new `culture` suddenly move in? And those belonging to it didn`t share any common racial characteristics?
Friday, August 2, 2013 10:26:23 PM
I think you might have twisted your argument into a little bit of a knot on that one, but yeah, that would be my conclusion if I were reading it out of context - that 'white flight` invites urban decay because (implicitly,) another race moves in. I`m sure that`s not what you were trying to say.
Now, to move onto the next - how does moving to urban centers for war-time work necessarily lead to poverty and prejudice? I know there were a lot of women participating in the war-effort for the first time, and we didn`t see a boom in poverty but rather the reverse (probably a different war than the one you were referencing, but I`m not sure).
Friday, August 2, 2013 10:23:52 PM
Where is the connection? Because it was part-time and they couldn't find anything else after that? Which time period would we be referring to here?
Now, before this becomes a wall, may I address your question on whether or not "racial culture" actually exists. My impression - without any preexisting bigotry or prejudice - has always been that according to the black people I saw and knew, it did. It was "their" culture (emphasis theirs). THEIR channel. Their WORD. Culture FOLLOWS race, and people of similar ethnic background tend to congregate. That we cannot deny. But I agree that culture doesn`t necessarily, and in some cases SHOULDN`T, have to be tethered to it indefinitely - degeneracy is degeneracy, and it is something we should eschew rather than embrace. Now I will go further - it is probably something we should all agree on before attempting to identify it in the first place.