Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:19:03 PM
5Cats- I think basically some people are willing to take the big gamble that there really is a god and build their life around that (with some self-imposed limitations and guilt about certain pleasurable things and for some people, some really crappy behavior towards people they think are living incorrectly) and others who are more interested in what they actually know to be real by experience and live their life knowing they are primarily responsible for their destiny and how they deal with people and events. I suppose there's also a gamble that I`m wrong and I`m going to hell for not practicing a religion but it`s pretty sucky if I never do anything seriously wrong compared with people who go to heaven and still go to hell. just my opinion :) On the plus side for religious people, if death is really just a big off switch they`ll never really know they were wrong about the whole thing.
I have a coin in my hand. You examine my hand, there's no coin there! You`re wrong (you say) But it`s true, and I am right... (answer below) ...
@TheGuySmiley: So you`ll agree that "God is internal" and that one needs to "find faith on one`s own" too! Cool. But other people "seeing God" still isn`t proof of anything, correct? Except for them, internally.
you play pin the tail on the kittycat Awww! That`s sweet! :heart:
That`s a LOT of faith for a 5 year old. But yeah, that is how faith is SUPPOSED to operate, I`ll agree (after thinking it over a bit. I was all set to argue...)
Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:26:27 PM
@lariloo: The cake is a lie! (I love Portal too, even though I've never played it! lolz!)
@artmunki: I`ll gladly agree that "atheism" is broken into two groups, gnostic & agnostic. BUT when someone says "Atheist" I believe it`s most common meaning is "Gnostic Atheist". In EITHER case, the question of: Do you believe God exists? Their answer is NOT YES.
idk if an Agnostic Theist is possible! Deism takes the existence of "God" (in whatever form) as a given... is SUPPOSE one could "stretch it" and say that Deists "don`t know for sure" what God is (that`s true) but I`d argue that`s an entirely different topic...
Theist (whatever sort): Yes God(s) exist(s). ALL OTHERS: different than Theists...
Instead of "Atheist" I`d agree that "NON-Theists" would be a better term... except no one ever uses it... In my opinion: "Atheist" is slang for "Non-Theist"
Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:21:46 PM
The cake is a lie.
I love Portal!
Anyway, I can't with your story because I find it hard to believe anyone literally "saw" God like someone could see a cake. You can see something, call it a miracle and say it`s evidence of God or have a hallucination during some trauma but that doesn`t empirically make it actually God. I could see the same miracle and say "wow, that was an amazing series of totally possible events."
In your analogy, an atheist keeps getting told there`s cake but every time they look into the room there`s no cake. People keep insisting there`s cake and even point in some general direction but there`s no cake there. So the atheist says "whatever" and leaves to get some ice cream on their own.