In Case You Use Xmas Instead Of Christmas [Pic]

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InTheNameOf Male, 30-39, Western US 329 Posts	Wednesday, December 19, 2012 2:28:21 PM Ah, the good old days when religious nuts killed over differences in faith. Oh, wait....

Angilion Male, 40-49, Europe 9542 Posts	Friday, December 7, 2012 5:13:02 PM I'm not saying that any other religions festivities should be disrespected, but Christmas should be honored and respected. By Christians, sure, but by what warped reasoning do you think that I am waging war against you if I don`t want to pay for your religion or have your religion pushed at everyone, on public land and with the official approval of the government? You are falsely claiming victimhood in order to obtain power. That can be a very effective technique...if you are so immoral that you`re willing to stoop to it. Personally, I wouldn`t belittle myself like that.

Angilion Male, 40-49, Europe 9542 Posts	Friday, December 7, 2012 5:08:13 PM (it was the feast of the invincible sun). I believe you mean winter solstice Your belief is incorrect. The date chosen for Christmas was, very specifically, the date of the feast of the invincible sun. It was not the winter solstice. The reason was simple - the feast of the invincible sun was widely celebrated in Rome when Christianity was starting to gain power. Pagan Romans tended to run the two celebrations together - Saturnalia (which had already been extended to 5 days and in some ways longer than that as a festive period) and Sol Invictus. Many of the "Christmas" customs do come from Saturnalia (e.g. time of peace and goodwill, giving of gifts, family get togethers, etc), but the specific date of Christmas comes from the feast of the invincible sun.

Lord_Jereth Male, 40-49, Midwest US 557 Posts	Friday, December 7, 2012 12:49:51 PM @ByOwlPost "I really do, but someone needs to make rational sense of this for me." If you could rationalize with religious people, there would be no religious people. @CrakrJak: Awwww, you mad bro? Not allowing you to make your 4000 year old morals into laws that govern the rest of us, not wanting ancient execution symbols all over every wall and not needing to see a reenactment of your ancient tribal war god's birth on every street corner does not equal a war or persecution. Yes, %87 percent of the U.S. believes in god. But, that does NOT mean that they all believe in YOUR god. Your only real fear is that some day you will no longer be in the majority in this country or the world. Personally, I can`t wait. LJ

Bakcagain21 Male, 18-29, Europe 273 Posts	Friday, December 7, 2012 9:38:01 AM Christianity adopted a lot of rituals at the time Christmas is actually pretty similar to Saturnalia. They used to have a feast and the slaves used to be boss for the day really interesting to read up on. But despite being an Atheist, a very immoral atheist on the sin front ;) , I still think Christmas (in the uk at least) is being attacked on different front's and unfairly compared to other religious holidays. It`s because it`s the biggest people just get angry. I don`t see why people prefer seeing Black Friday, mass consumerism. Over nativity plays and choral concerts. Say what you want brings a community together even if you don`t believe any of it.

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