Monday, October 22, 2012 6:07:19 AM
Church AND state. Not CHURSTATE. Separate entities. That's the end of the argument, right there. When I see religious leaders who recognize that, it warms my little homo heart.
Monday, October 22, 2012 5:06:12 AM
"The point is: gender is NOT changeable. But that has almost nothing to do with sexual orientation, eh?" No, they cannot be perfectly correlated. Even our concepts of "absolutely straight" and "completely gay" are just that, concepts.
There are analog balance, not discrete selection. Most people are mostly toward one way or the other but, some people fall in the middle physically, sexually and in terms of personal identity.
Monday, October 22, 2012 4:24:19 AM
There was a Canadian person who had his penis destroyed as an infant... @CodeJockey: yes, I am VERY familiar witht taht case! -He was a twin, during the birthing process the doctor pulled with those tong-things and destroyed his genetalia. -Doctors re-assigned him to be female, using the brother as a 'control group` they studied his developement intensely. -they gave him hormones and stuff as a child = not good for you. -he was messed up and very unhappy his whole life, the the "scientists" claimed a huge victory for gender research in the 70s. NOW it`s viewed as a case lesson in what NOT to do!
He was re-assigned as a male, did get married & raised 3 kids. His brother also suicided iirc...
The point is: gender is NOT changeable. But that has almost nothing to do with sexual orientation, eh?
Monday, October 22, 2012 3:03:46 AM
Looking at other aspects of my life, trying to fit myself into a tight little box of psychological development has been a non-fit and I suspect others are in the same boat.
Monday, October 22, 2012 3:00:42 AM
Cats There was a Canadian person who had his penis destroyed as an infant during a circumcision experiment with a laser scalpel.
The parents followed the doctors' recommendation of sexual reassignment surgery along with other treatment.
Raised as a female, some time around age 13 or 14, this person noticed: "Hey... I REALLY like girls..." So the parents decided to explain what happened.
He tried living one way, then another, finally marrying a female. Last I heard, in 2006, he committed suicide.
Most people are born into a gender identity, some people decide gender identity. Within each of those, some people decide orientation, most are drawn one way or another and gender identity can not be exclusively associated to orientation.
I have said elsewhere, I KNEW I liked females at age 4 and even had specific taste. Looking at other aspects of my life, trying to fit myself into a tight little box of psychological develo