Monday, September 24, 2012 5:19:51 PM
@cookieboy >How do they: rent apartments, no photo id needed >buy houses, no photo id needed >apply for loans and credit cards? No photo id needed >How do they drive cars, most poor people don't, but you dont need an id to drive, you need a license, which just happens to be an id. >carry insurance, no photo id needed >write checks, no photo id needed >see a doctor or dentist, no photo id needed
This is getting repetitive. Instead of answering each separately, I`ll just say, none of the example you listed require a photo id
Monday, September 24, 2012 6:24:01 AM
So, who are these mysteriously ID-less Americans? And who are the bad people who prevent them from having identification? How do these poor folk live? How do they rent apartments, buy houses, apply for loans and credit cards? How do they drive cars, carry insurance, write checks, see a doctor or dentist, get public utilities like gas, electricity and water? What do they show when a cop stops them for speeding? How did they get their job, or perhaps, how did they obtain their welfare benefits and food stamps? How did they go to school, and how were they able to register their children at school? How can they use a credit card? How the hell did they get a credit card, anyway? How do they buy their booze and smokes? How can they get their social security or medicare? I live in California, where it costs $24.00 for a state identification card, and it's free if you are over 62. So, disenfranchised would-be voter, pull the other one.
So we are making progress. Point A has been set, an photo ID is not always required to purchase alcohol. Point B, will be slightly harder to prove, as 1. I am not a lawyer, and 2. google is overflowing with links about voter ID laws.
So instead I will tell you a little story. Way back in 2002, I went to Rhode Island for university. It was a cooking school, and I really enjoyed it. Two things stood out. First we were allowed to drink during class. State law allowed for alcohol to be served for educational purposes. Secondly the bartending teacher taught us all about checking for IDs. one of the most important lessons was when to turn someone away, and how to protect our own asses if we wanted to serve someone without a photo ID present.
You are almost correct about needing an ID for getting a job. But there are a few acceptable means of identifying yourself without an ID. you can use your voter registration card, indians can use their tribal documentat
If the proprietor of an establishment knows that a person is over 21, the person buying obviously doesn't have to show ID, just like everywhere else in the world. So lets try this again...
But if said proprietor doesn`t know if a person is over 21 or not and doesn`t want to get fined up to $10,000 by the government and possibly lose their license, then the person buying the liquor has to show valid ID if asked.
No where does it say that all you have to do is sign an affidavit ledger where basically they`re going by "the honor system" and all you have to do is put down your name and address, where you can obviously put down false information, and you can then purchase liquor.
So to wrap it up... If the proprietor doesn`t know you and also doesn`t want to possibly get fined, then you need valid ID. If they do know you, or think without a doubt that you`re over 21, then you don`t need ID... Just like everywhere else.