Michael D. Higgins: President Of Ireland

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patchgrabber Male, 30-39, Canada 5290 Posts	Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:02:20 AM @HA: i don't really need help arguing for universal healthcare, but your example of how your government spends more publicly does a good job of showing how a universal system actually decreases the amount of public spending, thanks!

HumanAction Male, 18-29, Midwest US 1155 Posts	Friday, August 24, 2012 11:33:25 AM @patchgrabber: i don't really need help arguing for universal healthcare, but your example of how your government spends more publicly does a good job of showing how a universal system actually decreases the amount of public spending, thanks! If you truely believe that, then you`ve drank the Kool-Aid my friend. Showing that our system spends more public money than yours (per capita of course - standardization is key) defeats your argument that our system is "more privatized." I would expect a scientist to know better.

patchgrabber Male, 30-39, Canada 5290 Posts	Friday, August 24, 2012 11:19:31 AM @HA: i don't really need help arguing for universal healthcare, but your example of how your government spends more publicly does a good job of showing how a universal system actually decreases the amount of public spending, thanks!

HumanAction Male, 18-29, Midwest US 1155 Posts	Friday, August 24, 2012 11:03:38 AM @patchgrabber: I think I've finally got you figured out. As far as I can tell, you agree that we are headed in the wrong direction. Is that fair? Yet, for some reason, in every debate we have, you insist of varying that direction by only a fraction of a degree. The analogy I`ve provided is sound. You cannot judge one system based on another. To further my color analogy, I cannot use pink (a shade of red - arguably) as evidence for my argument that red is awesome. In addition, I do not accept your claim that the US system is "more privatized." Consider the amount of public funding per unit population from both our countries, and it is obvious that ours is more public in nature than even yours. I`d like to see you put up some numbers for cost of healthcare before 1960 I`ll see what I can find. I am referencing research done during my college years.

patchgrabber Male, 30-39, Canada 5290 Posts	Friday, August 24, 2012 10:58:09 AM If you really want to compare a completely private system to a completely public one, then it's a philosophical debate and you can`t use any real-world numbers or examples in your arguments. You have to argue the ideal private system to the ideal public system, that is a fair debate. You can`t require one standard of measure for one and a different one for the other.

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