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Todd Akin On Pregnancy And `Legitimate` Rape

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He thinks you can`t get pregnant if you`ve REALLY been raped.
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Hits: 7294 | Favorites: 1 | Emailed: 0 | Rating: 1.8 | Category: News & Politics | Date: 08/19/2012
 
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:56:20 PM
@HG: Any response to my question?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:34:47 AM
Masuko42

" I am saying that a person that will become a corpse should be treated with the same rights as a corpse. "

I'm pretty sure you do have all the same rights as a corpse. You just have extra ones as well.

"You can claim that the rights of the foetus should be protected, that`s fine. But you should not claim that the foetus should get a baby`s rights because it is a baby...because it is not. Not yet."

I`ve never said a fetus should get a baby`s rights. You can`t kill a baby to save the mother and you can`t kill a baby if it was the result of a rape. I support abortions in those cases. I`ve also never once said a fetus is a baby. It isn`t. But I believe it has value and should be protected because it will be a baby. Comparing it to a "tumor" or "sperm" is insulting in my opinion.


Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:48:43 AM
@HolyGod

Oh I've got you with this one:

I am 100% certain to become a corpse one day, with no action required whatsoever.

So surely, you should be treating me like a corpse now? Get the coffin ready for me.

You`re not allowed to say "that`s different", because it`s not. It`s IDENTICAL logic to what you`re using. You`re saying that a foetus that will become a baby should be treated with the same rights as a baby. I am saying that a person that will become a corpse should be treated with the same rights as a corpse.

It is the same logic, and it is FLAWED.

You can claim that the rights of the foetus should be protected, that`s fine. But you should not claim that the foetus should get a baby`s rights because it is a baby...because it is not. Not yet.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:45:28 AM
@HolyGod

"If you are trying to imply that I have a problem with homosexuality"

Not my intention. Just making it clear that we are destroying any chance of our possibile babies becoming actual babies.

"Everything is "degrees" in that way of thinking. A screw is almost a nuclear weapon, it just requires some other ingredients and assembly."

So until the screw is actually a bomb, don't call it one.

- screw + foetus, - bomb + baby.

You compared a baby to a cake...that`s actually a good analogy. The mother`s womb is the oven. All you need to do is leave it on and the mixture inside becomes a cake.

So...uncooked cake mix is a cake? I`ll serve you some for your birthday.

Just because it is likely to BECOME a cake/baby, doesn`t mean you should treat it like one YET.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Monday, August 20, 2012 10:03:24 PM
Perhaps a thing can be intrinsically valuable while lacking a right to life. It is morally wrong, so most of us think, to inflict wanton pain on sentient creatures like dogs, cats, chickens, and so on. If I come across a wild dog, for example, then it would be wrong for me to torture that dog for hours on end. It would be wrong even if nobody cared about the dog or even knew it
existed. If so, then dogs deserve at least some level of value and respect independently of what anyone thinks about them. Dogs must therefore be intrinsically valuable; and this despite the fact that dogs do not have a right to life.

So intrinsic value doesn't necessarily grant the right to life. My question is why can a thing not come to be at one time and yet become intrinsically valuable to a particular degree at another time? Why can a thing not acquire its intrinsic value after it begins to exist? I don`t see why this cannot be the case.

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