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What is Holy? (Based On Actual Trial Transcripts)

From `Inherit the Wind`, a movie about the Scopes Trial in which a TN teacher was arrested for teaching evolution.

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HiEv Male, 40-49, Eastern US 384 Posts	Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:59:13 PM @frnttrndy: Saved from what?!? The wrath of an imaginary sin that is somehow passed down from my ancestors? Sorry, but saying I was born in sin because of something that happened to two storybook characters is absurd. Saying that God can save me from something God has done to me and I had no say in the matter, and he'll punish me if I don`t bow down and kiss his holy buttocks is just fantasy blackmail. I`ll do good works without all of the mental pretzels religion calls "faith", thankyouverymuch.

frnttrndy Male, 50-59, Midwest US 47 Posts	Friday, June 1, 2012 5:28:30 PM For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

artmunki Male, 30-39, Europe 138 Posts	Friday, June 1, 2012 3:10:09 PM Okay, a few others have already called out CrakrJak for showing his negligible capacity for free thought (again!), but the 'morality from faith` claim is something I find particularly offensive. Morality has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any religion. Morality is a form of social compact, which is the core underpinning of civilisation, and as such the basic rules of morality predate recorded history ... and therefor predate every religion we know anything about. The fact that religions want to claim morality for themselves (the only reason CrakrJak believes that is because that`s what his religion tells him) is not only itself an immoral claim, but it also perverts true morality. If they restricted their moral teaching to actual morality there`d be no problem, but instead they all make claims that their own dogmatic biases and prejudices are moral issues too, which is nothing if not utterly immoral.

swoop408 Male, 18-29, Western US 1768 Posts	Friday, June 1, 2012 6:32:43 AM "Seeking knowledge is not always a noble thing. Dr. Mengele sought knowledge too and killed a lot of people to get it. The quest for knowledge must be tempered with morality and morality comes from faith." One of the dumbest things I've read in a long time.

8BitHero Male, 18-29, Europe 5420 Posts	Friday, June 1, 2012 3:22:47 AM @CrakrJak So for someone like me and other people we no morality because we have no faith. "Faith is believing what you know ain't so".

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