Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:11:24 PM
ShudBWorking, idk why I should bother replying to you when you obviously didn't even bother to read my post. (hint: I mentioned brain dead people and how it`s perfectly legal to take them off of life support because they`re essentially dead already, their other organs just remain functioning)
Like I already said, which you`d know if you bothered to read my post, which you didn`t, is that there are many organs that would kill you if they stopped functioning. The heart is not the only one. So why say the heart has to be functioning? It`s the same as any other organ that`s vital for your body to function. However, what defines a HUMAN is our BRAIN. A brain dead person is not the same person as when their brain was functioning. They have no sort of personality or ability to do anything besides automatic functions. They are essentially a machine that`s still running with no purpose, stuck in a state of dead but not quite.
Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:50:52 PM
As for your sentient argument, LillianDulci, there is a term called brain dead, where a person is still alive while non-functioning. However, once a heart is no longer functioning (i.e. not even a machine can keep it going) the person is dead, end of story. I can't wait to make it to SCOTUS to make this argument, it really seems like a shut and close case to me. On the other hand, thank you for all your posts, they are helping me understand the other point of view so that I can better argue years from now when I finally get a case that I can get there.
Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:46:52 PM
Re: LillianDulci- Flawed Logic? Who's logic is flawed here? Were not talking about what a person can and cannot do, the subject was that of a vital organ`s function. When they can no longer revive the heart, a person is dead. Again, simple logic. I really don`t see the problem here, and it is easy even for a child to understand, so why can`t you? Human heart beat equals human life, I really don`t understand why this is even an issue, and why we still allow human heart to be stopped on a regular basis just because an irresponsible woman/man combo decided to go have sex when they didn`t want a kid, which is the reason for a majority of abortions when you boil it down. If you`re not ready to have a kid (man or woman) then don`t have sex, it`s that simple. And yes, you can go without sex, it is possible and done all the time by many different kinds of people. Examples: Practicing Catholics before marriage, dido for Christians, Mormons, and Jews.
Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:10:36 AM
"It's a compromise, one based on science, not religion or the far left extreme of `not until it`s born`." Saying ~5 weeks is basically the same as saying never, because few women would be able to detect the pregnancy, determine she wants and abortion, schedule an appointment, and go through with the procedure within such a short amount of time.
"If you`re dead your heart has stopped beating, If your alive your heart is beating. It`s so simple even a child can understand it." It`s possible to restart hearts after they`ve stopped beating, so it`s not like the instant your heart stops beating, you`re dead. I can say "If you`re dead, you can`t eat chicken, but if you`re alive, you can eat chicken" and say that any fetus can be aborted (note: I don`t support it after they become sentient) because they can`t eat chicken. Flawed logic.