Monday, April 16, 2012 3:49:45 PM
It doesn't work? The girl is drunk and initiated flirtation with the guy. Maybe she`s a prostitute high on cocaine which she purchased and chose to do. Neither prostitution nor cocaine are legal.. so that would make the rape okay? You say my analogy doesn`t work on your ASSUMPTION that Trayvon MAY have been doing something illegal. It`s not like he was gunned down while trying to break into someone`s house. He wasn`t caught vandalizing anyone`s property. I guess just *looking* suspicious should make him fair game to be chased and hunted down by a man who has no authority to do so? I don`t get it.
Monday, April 16, 2012 2:13:54 PM
@Jonix Yes, laws are sometimes based on a popular morality. That doesn't mean that all laws are based on individual morality. Also, the rape analogy is extremely weak, as, to make a point, I was arguing under the assumption that T initiated the fight. That means that what T did was not legal. Women who get raped don`t provoke it through illegal activity. Your analogy doesn`t work at all.
Monday, April 16, 2012 9:32:33 AM
@Altaru I heard on my local news that even though they got Zimmerman for Murder 2, the jury still has the power to decide to find him guilty of manslaughter. I'm thinking now that the plan was to find him guilty of manslaughter. But if they can find enough evidence to prove it was Murder 2 they want to make sure the charge is still available since you can`t over-charge someone on trial, but you can go lower in severity.
At least I think so... I`m not too familiar with our court system, to be honest.
Monday, April 16, 2012 9:25:42 AM
Also, how can you even claim that morality is completely unrelated to law? How in the world do you think new laws are created or existing laws are modified? It's all based on what the populous agrees to be "right" or "wrong." If morality and law were mutually exclusive, then abortion and gay marriage wouldn`t even be a debate. If you have any theories on how else laws come into existence, please let me know, because morality is the only way I can think of.
Monday, April 16, 2012 9:20:17 AM
@ivran If Z followed T unarmed and Z ended up dead, then yes, I would question T just as much as I do Z right now, EVEN THOUGH following T goes against Neighborhood Watch guidelines. As soon as he saw T take off running, he should have just called the police with the last location he saw T, and then continue on his way to go shopping. He would have fulfilled his duties, and the professionals would have taken over. Most likely, nobody would be dead right now. But you asked (Lillian, but I'll answer anyway), if I would find T as guilty as Z if that were the case, and yes, I would.
As for claiming that T "could have prevented his own death 100%"... that`s like telling a rape victim that she had it coming or was "asking for it." I`m a little offended by that. Yeah, she didn`t have to go to that party and get drunk while wearing a sexy miniskirt, but that in NO WAY excuses the rapist`s actions or make him somehow "less guilty."