Friday, December 2, 2011 11:10:52 PM
"The purpose of my fourth link was to reinforce the 'clannish nature` and their beliefs and ideas on disease, as misguided as they were rarely they did stumble on something that worked, but that sort of shamanism is not medicine."
i think you keep using words like `clannish` and `shamanism` because you think it somehow detracts from what these men were doing. true, their skills and knowledge are not what they are today but it`s obvious that they knew what worked and how to do it if not WHY it worked. how is this not medicine? For the longest time christians had a pretty crap understanding of medicine too, employing treatments that modern doctors might describe as clannish or shamanistic. your first link speaks to christians giving better care to people with disabilities than before. what it does not in any way show is that before this time sick people(not the same as people with disabilities) were treated like vermin as you claimed
Friday, December 2, 2011 10:40:22 PM
davymid: That was actually a link I quoted from early on, but it was rather vague about Egyptian and Greek health care, but it does mention that the buildings themselves were 'temples`, dedicated to healing gods, not hospitals. Sure you might`ve been able to get a broken nose fixed or a arm bone set, but even early shamans had this basic knowledge, but if the injury got badly infected, gangrene, cellulitis, tetanus, etc.., you were pretty much doomed.
Friday, December 2, 2011 10:23:41 PM
As for the first link, "Social Viewpoint: Principle of the Least: "For he who is least among you all — he is the greatest." Jesus Christ.. showed compassion for persons with disabilities... Jesus is frequently credited with showing kindness and effecting miraculous cures of those who were lame, blind, and otherwise disabled... Jesus also welcomed those who were poor and disenfranchised and treated them as equals.", is very relevant, as is how people were treated before, "Living conditions for persons with disabilities were brutal during this period. Some people were able to survive through acts of charity or as objects of curiosity, but most were not as fortunate. Intolerance, sickness, and disregard for persons with disabilities often meant death or a very low quality of life. Moral Viewpoint: Early Greeks and Romans valued physical perfection. Appearances mattered. Racial and physical differences were seen as marks of inferiority.
Friday, December 2, 2011 10:21:05 PM
All I would say is that in your original assertion of "Considering that the very idea of building hospitals and taking care of the sick was a Christian idea..." (which was what I took exception to, besides the assertion that atheist doctors can only possibly be motivated by greed), you linked a wikipedia article on "prehistoric medicine". Prehistoric medicine is not really what we're talking about here, that was prehistoric, by definition. What is in question is decidely "historic" mediciinal care, both occidental and oriental, which was comtemporaneous with or before Christianity. A better link would have been http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital#History, which demonstrates abundant evidence that Christians didn`t invent hospital care.
Friday, December 2, 2011 10:20:53 PM
Crakrjak, THANK YOU. Was that so hard? All you had to do was to provide some evidence to back up your claims, you would have saved yourself a lot of grief and venom if you had just done so in the first place.
Now, I HAVE read your links, and yes, you have changed my view somewhat. I already knew that Christianity has contributed to the advancement of medicinal practices, but your links give me food for thought.
See? Not everyone who disagrees with aspects of your world-view are diametrically opposed to you. As I stated before, I do NOT hate Christians, or Christianity. If you have some evidence to back up your claims, then just show it. Saying "This is how it was, go look it up for yourself" is bound to get people's heckles up.