Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:58:42 PM
"And I'm sure you can understand their confusion, given the contradictions and errors scattered throughout." Regardless, it doesn`t give them the right to judge or persecute.
Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:55:32 PM
"And they have passages from the Qur'an..." Maybe, but we`re not discussing them. We`re discussing the Bible and the message contained therein.
""Murderer" is a label we apply to a person after they have committed that act." Yes. I understand that. My examples pointed to people we would label as such and their ability to not repeat the offense.
"If you accept Bible passages as evidence in favour of the existence of God," I`m not speaking of the existence of God. I`m speaking of my knowledge of the message of the bible.
"So glad I gave up on religion." I know, right? People suck.
Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:54:28 AM
If you discount their holy books as not being valid evidence, then we must discount the Bible too, as it is just another holy book to the independent observer.
If you accept Bible passages as evidence in favour of the existence of God, you must equally accept passages from other texts as evidence of that particular deity or deities too. Otherwise it's just special pleading in favour of the book of your choice, and again the rest of the billion can make the same extremely weak case for their own idea.
I don`t claim to be a Christian. I`ve never even claimed God Exists in the course of this discussion. All I claim is that I know what the message of the Christian Bible is, and that a lot of Christians don`t. My apologies then. And I`m sure you can understand their confusion, given the contradictions and errors scattered throughout.
Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:44:16 AM
Can a murderer decide not to murder? Probably. Can an adulterer decide not to...adulter? Probably as well. Then a homosexual can probably decide not to practice homosexuality (Yet still be a homosexual, just non-practicing) to honor the deity (s)he has decided to love. "Murderer" is a label we apply to a person after they have committed that act. You are not a murderer until you murder someone. Similarly you are not an adulterer until you commit adultery. (Unless you ascribe to the idea of thoughtcrime of course.)
Being a homosexual or a heterosexual is about what you FEEL, not what you DO. I was straight long (, long, LONG) before I actually had sex for the first time.
[quote]Yes I do. Verses from The Bible. Verses that contradict their messages. [/quote] And they have passages from the Qur'an or the Tanakh or the Book of Mormon or Dianetics or the Book of Shadows or even just different parts of the Bible that support their message.