Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:52:55 AM
Squrlz4Sale-"right-wing drumbeat of the past twenty years--"liberals are evil,"...is misguided and dangerous. "
While the Liberal drum beat for the same time period has been "conservatives are evil". (or, to quote Howard Dean.."They hate muslims, they hate gays, they hate immigrants.." Or Democrat Rep. Grayson "Republicans want you to die quickly".)
It's not so much as `painting liberals with a broad brush`, as the fact that conservatives are more likely to think for themselves (not all, but a slightly higher percentage than liberals. And notice I said `almost all`, not all.).
When was the last time you heard of a group of conservative college students having a riot to keep a liberal speaker from speaking at the college?
Also, I agree whole-heartedly with all three of your statements. Those should not be `liberial/conservative` views..but common sense (which ain`t so common any more).
Monday, June 13, 2011 7:23:21 PM
@Auburn: Good post. *Sooo* many awesome things to talk about. (Damn this 1,000 character limit! lol)
A few quick points, in no particular order: (1) I can't speak for all liberals, but speaking for myself, I`m not interested in turning America into a Europeanesque country. What I *would* like to turn the current America into is the country it used to be in the 1960s and 1970s, when the Middle Class was growing and not shrinking, public schools were generally good, and Republicans and Democrats both seemed more interested in helping the people than helping corporations. (2) Relative to my last post, I`m a devout Christian. I just prefer to keep my religion and my government separate. (Just wanted to get that out there.) (3) Capitalism is a wonderful engine. I`m all for it. But it needs to be tempered with progressivism or it becomes like the game of Monopoly, where the player with an early advantage soon owns everything and everyone else is powerless.
Monday, June 13, 2011 6:47:35 PM
Yeah, you could call our founding fathers the liberals of their time. Problem is, while they were growing a new country out of a bad situation, some of the progressives today, are trying to change a great country into something that has been proven to not work. (socialist) Europe is crumbling financially, but our current leadership wants nothing more than to follow in their footsteps and create a nation that is so quintessentially European, that it is doomed to go down the same path. Capitalism works. Reaganomics was working. Lower taxes work. Less government, with manageable regulatory power works.
Monday, June 13, 2011 6:40:27 PM
@Auburn: Well, thanks. I respect you, too, and I really appreciated your closing post last night.
That said, I'm not at all convinced that painting any group -- conservatives, liberals, you name it -- with a broad brush is helpful, let alone necessary. In fact, I think the constant right-wing drumbeat of the past twenty years--"liberals are evil," is usually the gist of the message--is misguided and dangerous.
Although you`d never suspect it by listening to Sarah Palin or watching the Fox network, this country was *started* as a liberal experiment. Thomas Paine? As liberal as liberal can be. Benjamin Franklin? Liberal from his Deist head to his Enlightenment toes. Thomas Jefferson? Liberal with a capital L.
The conservatives at the time of our founding were the Loyalists who wanted to remain under the British monarchy and later the Congregationalists of New England who were appalled that a Constitution was drafted that makes no mention of God.