Friday, May 13, 2011 11:00:10 PM
Still getting it wrong, but I'm glad to see you finally checked up on it a little bit. I can tell you checked up because you said "caught violating the law" in your earlier post, and now it`s "lawful stop".
The original version of the bill, which passed and was signed into law on April 23, 2010, used the phrase "lawful contact" - and yes, that covers stopping grandma on her way to the ice cream store.
The uproar from actual, real patriots in this country (as opposed to fascists in patriot drag) managed to get the wording changed to "Lawful Stop", which at least involves "reasonable suspicion" - though still not "caught violating the law".
Friday, May 13, 2011 9:14:45 AM
"SB 1070 allows the police to stop you and demand to "see your papers" with NO CRIME COMMITTED, and without even "reasonable suspicion". Clear violation of the 4th amendment."
You left one key part out - it has to be during a lawful stop.
Generally that means you were committing some sort of traffic violation. They cannot, contrary to popular belief, stop grandma on her way to the ice cream store and demand proof of citizenship.
"Clear violation of the 4th amendment.
(not that I would expect a guy like you to have even a vague familiarity with the Constitution of the United States)"
I am familiar with the Constitution. Under the 4th amendment, you can be detained if you are suspected of having committed a crime. Being in this country illegally is committing a crime. Therefore, if an officer suspects you of being here illegally, he should be able to detain you until you can prove you are a citizen.