Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:54:10 PM
As bizarre and doomed to failure as the cash machine scenario is, Angilion, I'll take your word for it that it happened once, although, since you`re telling the story, I doubt she got away with it. I imagine the majority of false rape charges don`t stand up to scrutiny. It`s rare enough to get a conviction for real rape. I`m not saying women never lie or are never vindictive or that decent men are never, ever falsely accused of rape; but I stand by my conviction that men who genuinely like women and treat them with real respect have little reason to live in fear of a charge of false rape. They also don`t go around seemingly obsessed with how rotten to the core women are. There are plenty of such men in the world, and even a good few on IAB. You`re just not one of them.
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:00:31 AM
@Oscola So we should treat possible rape victims, and presumably a lot of actual rape victims, as "accusers"? That language is in no more neutral then referring to the person as a "victim". So why would we remedy one biased word by replacing it with another biased word? It makes no sense.
Show me one person who got put in jail wrongly because of the wording in that legislation.
The defendant gets to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, so shouldn't the victim be presumed to be telling the truth until proven otherwise? To presume someone is a victim is not the same as presuming that the accused is guilty.
We need to treat people like their good until proven otherwise. Rape victims should be treated like victims.
Monday, February 21, 2011 11:30:29 PM
The assumption that the accusation of rape is equivalent to the act of rape is silly to me. I think it insults the intelligence of America that lack of evidence wouldn't acquit you, and also that exoneration is tarnished by the event of accusation.
Monday, February 21, 2011 9:57:04 PM
Consider this scenario, for example:
A man is getting money from a cashpoint. A woman demands he withdraw the maximum amount and give it to her, using a threat of rape accusation as a weapon.
I'd pay her. It`s a bigger threat than a knife. I might be able to take a knife away from her in a fight. There is no way to take a rape accusation away.
And yes, that scenario has happened.
False accusation of rape is an extremely effective attack with very low risk to the woman making it - it`s almost impossible to prove she`s lying and even if she is it`s not a crime in itself. So of course some women will use it as a weapon to attack a man they dislike for some reason, to ensure getting custody, for extortion...for any of the reasons one person attacks another.
It`s also been used as an excuse for all sorts of things, as trivial as being late for work or as serious as being AWOL from the military to avoid a drugs test.
Monday, February 21, 2011 9:50:53 PM
I think the difference is that it's not as hard to protect yourself from a false charge of rape as it is to protect yourself from rape - just don`t have sex with a woman you don`t know and trust, especially if she`s drunk.
That would be useful advice if it was right, but it isn`t.
Your advice is no more accurate than saying that you can completely protect yourself from any chance being raped by not going off at night alone with a man you don`t know and trust.
i) People can trust people they shouldn`t trust. ii) People can be attacked by strangers.
You can`t raesonably always blame the victims for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Not even if they`re only men.
It`s pretty much impossible for a man to protect himself from a false accusation of rape. Doing so would require continuous video surveillance of himself and even then many people would unthinkingly presume him guilty if he was accused, simply because he`s