Friday, January 28, 2011 5:12:21 PM
I'm only reading the first page of argument here, and all I can say is kudos to Animecha for being able to not only stand his own against an (allegedly) 50-59 y/o but completely blow his argument out of the water.
As for the "Bob" example, that`s agnosticism, which isn`t atheism, but I guess for some ignorant people, a duck is a pig because they`re both barnyard animals, which makes them the same, just like atheism and agnosticism are the same because not believing in a god and doubting the existence of a god are the exact same thing.
Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:51:51 PM
Frankly this is no better than the schoolyard tactic of plugging your ears and repeating the exact same thing until either I walk away in frustration or you get angry and claim that you have won the argument and walk away yourself, which it would appear you are doing now.
If I am truly wrong how about you man up and actually explain how I am, starting first with your assertion that atheists must all believe no gods exist. That will be hard however when the consensus among Atheists themselves is that being an atheist simply requires a lack of belief but don't let that stop you. I`m sure your stubborn enough to cherry pick dictionary definitions and Wikipedia to rationalize your position like any self respecting internet pseudo-intellectual would.
Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:40:19 PM
@Schr0dinger - I can only assume that your cognitive dissonance in this case is just far too much to allow you to comprehend a simple argument. I have explained to you in excruciating detail the nature of a false dichotomy and how this is the case in your blatant misrepresentation of what most atheists believe.
Furthermore you have completely failed to demonstrate how my arguments are flawed and have instead resorted to claiming I hold a specific position when I do not.
Here is our argument as it stands:
you - 1) A and B both are unprovable 2) atheists believe B .'. atheists have faith
me: 1) A and B require faith but C does not. 2) C does not because it is not a claim. 3) atheists believe C .`. atheists do not have faith.
to which you reply: 1) you`re stupid and illogical 2) repeat same argument and ignore counter argument .`. atheists and you have faith
Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:18:24 PM
This thread is getting old so I doubt Ill look for it again. In the end you have your faith and it makes you happy. You feel secure in your absolute just like a muslim or christian etc. Perhaps its just the way of some people to need to have all the answers and not face that they just dont know some very big things.
Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:08:51 PM
Animecha you cling to your faith like the most devout believer. In your desperation you change the given equation to defend the tabernacle. Obviously its not a matter of dumbing it down because you understand it well enough to globalize and skew the example so as to shoe-horn it into something you can accept.
I dont know if Bob exists. But this guy says he knows him and talks to him all the time. As a matter of fact, there are literally millions of people all over the world for several thousands of years now, that claim to not only know Bob, but know him well. I myself have never met Bob and there seems to be no photo of Bob with any of theses people that know him, but that doesnt mean Bob doesnt exist.