Friday, December 17, 2010 3:27:06 PM
"As for laughing at our militia as disorganized and forgotten as it is". From the comments I read on here about how important it is to carry a gun for personal safety, it seems you barely have a society, never mind a militia. If you're serious about a militia, as I said earlier, the Swiss have it sorted. Except they have one of the highest gun related suicide rates in the world. Ce la vie..
Friday, December 17, 2010 3:21:48 PM
"...show you that there are tons of Americans like me who are responsible and intelligent shooters" I have no doubt that there are. But all we see from over here is a country obsessed with guns who has one of the highest number of gun related crimes, murders and suicides and it seems obvious to us that there is a link. Especially when some of the comments thrown around when these discussions come up make your country seem one step away from the wild west. I just don't understand living somewhere where I felt that carrying a gun was as essential as you seem to suggest.
Friday, December 17, 2010 3:14:59 PM
@auburnjunky: "Do you honestly think, that if we had never participated in WWII, England would have been able to hold off the Germans forever?" Yes, read your history. Hitler trying to take over Russia is what saved mainland Europe. Britain had already dominated the air and the seas with superior national air defense and the more powerful Navy. The US came in useful later on in the war The Americans came in useful, rather late in the war (along with the Commonwealth and considerable other allied armies) by ensuring that western mainland Europe did not fall to the communists. We then saved your asses by letting you secure your export markets, while we paid for the greatest cost of 6 years of war. A case of Britain subsidising America in securing future US trade. Remember, Britain declared war on Germany in the spirit of safeguarding democracy in Europe. America had no interest in safeguarding democracy and only entered the war in order to defend ITSELF against Axis
Friday, December 17, 2010 10:57:30 AM
As for laughing at our militia as disorganized and forgotten as it is; remember that the only other time it was laughed at was by the likes of Cornwallis and Howe, and laughing didn't stop them from getting stomped.
Granted, I would move to say Howe did the best job of helping the fledgling US win, and Clinton helped a good bit as his successor. Had they just given Cornwallis command from the beginning, I might be drinking tea right now, militia or no militia.
Friday, December 17, 2010 10:46:32 AM
Aik, that is something that I could get behind. I even like the old Starship Troopers model of to be a citizen you have to have served, and those who don't can enjoy the benefits but not control the outcome. I do believe that if you take the responsibility of owning a gun then you need to own the responsibility of using it safely and properly.
I`m not trying to change your mind, but show you that there are tons of Americans like me who are responsible and intelligent shooters. Just because we have guns doesn`t make us uncivilized. Of those 200 million guns in country, I would say most of us do a pretty good job keeping them holstered.
And though I agree with you, compulsory service would not fit within the constitution. Having a standing army was something we struggled with from our inception to WWII. We were born from a piece of paper. There is an incredible conversation between Washington and the French about this very subject, I wish I could find it.