Tuesday, November 9, 2010 9:47:09 AM
iaburton, Jesus was not in ANY sense of the word a socialist. Until you acknowledge the difference between voluntary giving and having your property stolen by threat of force, there's really nothing more to discuss.
Tuesday, November 9, 2010 6:44:14 AM
con't. While it certainly isn`t the Grace of God force you to come this conclusion, as he gave us the ability to create (reason/intellect), in order to trancend this world to become closer to God, one need to give up on the world and its possessions.
Again, I never said ANYTHING about Government (to be honest socialism isn`t even my governmental preference), I was just trying to illuminate you on the Word, beyond what Pat Roberson, Beck, or any other evangelicals with a mission might lead you to believe about the Word.
Tuesday, November 9, 2010 6:36:21 AM
Well, not socialism, in fact it may have been true communism, they shared all things in common, there were no personal possessions. And again, really read the Bible before you quote Jesus on something, because in story of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts Chapter 5, he didn't threaten to throw them in Jail, because Ananias sold some of his land and did not give all of the profits (he held some for himself), he not only lied to the elders but he lied to God, and died on the spot. Mark 10 he states that it is easier for a camel to pass through a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. Achan in Joshua 7, ect. There are a number of passages.
The main point though is that, according to the Bible, our possessions are what attaches us to the earth, and moves us away from God. When we own things we no longer have a praxis of agape, face-to-face communion, but instead have a praxis of subject-to-object. cont.
Monday, November 8, 2010 10:08:01 PM
iaburton, socialism is a system of GOVERNMENT, not a voluntary living arrangement. You can't equate communal living with socialism any more than you can equate marriage with gang rape. Socialism, like gang rape, involves one group of people using force to compel an individual to act against his or her will. Whether it`s your money or your @$$, if you don`t give it up, someone`s going to pull a gun on you.
Early Christians may have lived communally, but it wasn`t because Jesus threatened to send them to prison if they didn`t.
Monday, November 8, 2010 9:52:29 PM
This nonsense you rattle on about socialism leading to police states is just evidence of how you've been indoctrinated... So, I guess that the USSR, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Albania, China, North Korea, Viet Nam, Khmer Republic, Myanmar, Angola, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Cuba, and Iran are just exceptions to the rule.
Finally nations have no moral obligations save those of their individual citizens. All the pain and suffering in the world has been because some people feel they have a "moral obligation" to steal the property of one individual and give it to another (keeping a small "administrative fee" for themselves, of course). Call it what you want -- liberalism, progressiveism, fascism, socialism, Marxism, Stalinism, Leninism, Maoism, or social justice -- it`s all the same, and it never ends well.