Friday, July 16, 2010 5:18:29 PM
So...the rise and fall of Rome as a reflection of its attitudes towards homosexuality. A bizarre idea, but I'll run with it for a laugh.
During the period in which Rome gained hugely in wealth, power, size and civilisation, going from a simple little agrarian city-state to a multi-continental empire renowned for civilisation and technology, homosexual sex was legal, socially acceptable in many contexts and fairly common.
When homosexual sex was increasingly stigmatised and then outlawed, Rome declined and fell.
"obviously", homosexual sex is what causes societies to thrive. Outlawing it can bring down the strongest of civilisations!
Friday, July 16, 2010 4:55:15 PM
Never has a nation survived on the basis of sexual desire. When they've tried, they`ve collapsed (think Rome).
You probably don`t realise what a fool you`ve made of yourself.
If you bother to learn anything about real historical Rome and about the various factors in its downfall, you`ll realise what a fool you`re making of yourself.
I can give you a simple counter-example - the English republic. It lasted 10 years. Rome lasted well over 1000 years, 2000 if you include the eastern Roman empire (Byzantine empire).
You`re talking twaddle. Trying to claim a historical example based solely on your own ignorance of the society in question is laughable.
Friday, July 16, 2010 4:44:51 PM
Besides which, marriage predates your religion. By several thousand years.
I'd argue that marriage predates his religion by far more than several thousand years.
It can`t be proven because written records no longer exist, but I think it would be bizarre if humanity existed for so long without any form of marriage. People were building cities at least 8500 years ago. Not just villages of wattle huts, but cities of stone buildings. Things were organised. Besides, marriage makes sense even in nomadic hunter-gatherer days. I wouldn`t be at all surprised if marriage predated homo sapiens, let alone Christianity.