Monday, April 26, 2010 1:05:48 PM
You're right Baal, I just found a quote from him shortly after the attack saying it was done in retribution for civilian casualties in Lebanon and Palestine. At the same time Osama believes that our entire way of life is something to be opposed, attacked, and replaced. That view has a strong religious basis and seems to be evolving to become a central concept for radical islamics who direct their aggression towards the US.
I was seeing more red than reason in your argument that people are not aware of how political his motivation was because lately there have been a lot of videos being censored simply for being critical of Islam. I get the same impression from most muslims that I get from most christians; that there is a need to rationalize anything negative about their religion or deny any valid connection between their religion and a negative event. I let that bleed into this discussion and for that I apologize.
Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:30:14 AM
Sorry, finally Brass:
"Don't treat radicals passively"
Who. The. drat. Has been arguing for treating radicals passively? (Other than Crakr, who suggests no violence should ever occur unless under the banner of the USA in which case yay, it must be justified, but otherwise could never be, even in self defense).
Take Egypt as an example and their actions against the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood offshoot groups. Executions, mass imprisonments, etc.
Terrorism is something the Middle East has been dealing with LONG before the US started pointing fingers. Dealing with, and doing so more effectively than the Americans have, more harshly than the Americans have, and generally, prior to 9/11 with much condemnation by the rest of the world for "strong arm tactics".
The difference is, the Middle East knows more clearly who they should be pointing guns at.
Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:13:09 AM
Brassbull: 4) "The theme of radical Islam..."
In Iraq alone, there were at least 11 groups fighting the US. Most considered radical Islamist, with themes ranging from religious (Invading Muslim lands bad), to political (invading Arab lands bad), to personal (dead family members, dead friends), to personal political religious (Muqtada al-Sadr) who gets his support NOT from the collective of religious people (who tend to lean towards Ali Sistani, a "competitor" of sorts) but from the politically motivated, anti-occupation groups.